Progress

Librarian · May 21, 2017

wonder how the Villa are doing?

Saint Domingo · May 21, 2017

killenefc said:
Bit of a weird one for us atm. Looks like 2 talismans in Lukaku and Barkley are off (although I feel many will be happy to see the back of them), we are back in Europe (hopefully), no one is sure how we are being run yet, we have a good young spine but we are still same old Everton at times and we hopefully have a new stadium on the way.

More of an observation than a point but with us in the weirdest position we've been in for a while...where do we go from here?

Can't think of a word more ill suited to describing Barkley and Lukaku.

davek · May 21, 2017

d4kyxx said:
Add to the fact we had no cup runs whereas next season you'd hope we'd go further plus euro games. We played the least amount of games of any other side in the league this season so should have been sharper and not as tired as the rest

41 games this season. Next season if we do reasonably well in the cups we're in it'll be 56-58.

Hell of a workload for a squad full of bottlers and a manager who cant get them up for an away fixture.

MikeH72 · May 21, 2017

Saint Domingo said:
There won't be progress with this group of abject failures. Huge window ahead. We have to be utterly ruthless.

I'm worried by his random comments about wanting to keep McCarthy. Why would you want to keep a crap player that hasn't played since February and stinks of Wigan Athletic?

trueblue84 · May 21, 2017

mikeh72 said:
I'm worried by his random comments about wanting to keep McCarthy. Why would you want to keep a crap player that hasn't played since February and stinks of Wigan Athletic?

So you don't get rinsed by a club like Newcastle offering 6m. Make it sound like you don't want to sell and "reluctantly" accept the first good offer that comes in.

Saint Domingo · May 21, 2017

mikeh72 said:
I'm worried by his random comments about wanting to keep McCarthy. Why would you want to keep a crap player that hasn't played since February and stinks of Wigan Athletic?

Hopefully only as a squad player at best. There's a boys club there that needs to be ripped up. All chummy mates having a laugh doing the bare minimum to keep the fans off their back and then they get rewarded by the most charitable club in the segue. It needs to be demolished.

d4kyxx · May 22, 2017

mikeh72 said:
I'm worried by his random comments about wanting to keep McCarthy. Why would you want to keep a crap player that hasn't played since February and stinks of Wigan Athletic?

Probably going to need him now

Barry needs a walking frame. Besic will never play for us again and it looks like Ross is off

Kinghowie · May 22, 2017

Saint Domingo said:
Martinez inherited a solid top 7 squad. By the end of his tenure it was a bottom half squad. Moyes and Koeman both took bottom half squads into the top 7. Its as simple as that. Trying to make out that Moyes was a failure because his league average position was closer to 8th than 7th is strange, regardless of what he does now that man worked miracles at this club.

So, let's get this right, Koeman took a team that had previously been a top 7 squad that had been mismanaged for a couple of years, added a few million pound worth of signings, to 7th place? Simple as that.

That top 7 squad was STILL the the same squad that finished bottom half due to mismanagement. Then you call them a bottom half squad to suit your agenda. So Koeman has dragged a top 7 squad, added a few signings and finished 7th. Hardly progress.

bignev23 · May 22, 2017

Koeman got us 61 points, Everton under David Moyes managed to get over 61 points or over on five occasions in 10 seasons winning LMA Manager of the year on three occasions 2002/3(59 Points), 2004/5(61 Points) and 2008/9(63 Points) , Joe Royle's best points tally was 61 points in 1995/6. Martinez max points was 72 points. Walter smith 50 points and Kendall mk3 40 points in 1998.

I wouldn't necessarily call it progress but it's definitely acceptable when compared to our other managers best points tallies in the Premier league.

nsno-chris · May 22, 2017

bignev23 said:
Koeman got us 61 points, Everton under David Moyes managed to get over 61 points or over on five occasions in 10 seasons winning LMA Manager of the year on three occasions 2002/3(59 Points), 2004/5(61 Points) and 2008/9(63 Points) , Joe Royle's best points tally was 61 points in 1995/6. Martinez max points was 72 points. Walter smith 50 points and Kendall mk3 40 points in 1998.

I wouldn't necessarily call it progress but it's definitely acceptable when compared to our other managers best points tallies in the Premier league.

Indeed, the fact we were setback 2 years by incompetency then this is improvement.

Now we're at base camp again, we can now build and progress

bignev23 · May 22, 2017

nsno-chris said:
Indeed, the fact we were setback 2 years by incompetency then this is improvement.

Now we're at base camp again, we can now build and progress

If we constantly start getting above 60 points i'd say we'd be making progress. Last time we did this was from 2007/8 2008/9 2009/10 finishing 5th 5th and 8th then we dropped back to 54 points but finished 7th.

If we start getting over 65 points regularly we'd be progressing no doubt about it.

Kinghowie · May 22, 2017

nsno-chris said:
Indeed, the fact we were setback 2 years by incompetency then this is improvement.

Now we're at base camp again, we can now build and progress

You can't use the last 2 years of incompetency as a benchmark for this season. In that case, anyone competent would have improved us, the fact it was Koeman and the supposed reputation he has, I would have expected the levels of improvement to be better because of the incompetency of the previous 2 years, and the fact that he'd added to a squad that had finished 5th before the incompetency set in.