Premier League Financial Comparison!

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Intresting little attachment in the Times today on the financial state of clubs in the P.L. We're certainly holding our own in comparrison.


http://extras.timesonline.co.uk/pdfs/moneygame.pdf


Highlights:

Turnover: 79.7 mill
Wages: 49.1 mill
Ratio: 61.6%
Debt: 37.1 mill
Annual Loss: 6.9mill


Discuss? Better or worse then you expected?


*Praise and scaremonger at your lesiure!
 
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In the context of other clubs we're doing better than many, but lets not kid ourselves that our finances are in a good way. The only ones in that chart that are doing well are Arsenal and United. Both make a healthy profit (although of course United's is destroyed by the debt lumped onto them) and can fund their operations out of their income. Could probably include Spurs in that group as well to be fair. The rest of the league is either being funded by the bank or a sugar daddy. Neither is sustainable.

The game has never been wealthier in terms of money coming in, so it must worry owners that even with this unheard of largesse, hardly any can turn a profit. We've seen what happens in the finance sector when bubbles burst. 'If' broadcast income drops, will players accept a wage cut? Will clubs be forced to honour contracts signed during the 'good' times?

Most clubs are so highly geared that it won't take much to send them over the edge. That's why I'm concerned by seemingly small individual things like the 50% tax rate or Sky income being forced down by parliament. Football finances are so precarious that it won't take much to send it over the edge. We can't rely on footballers to show a little more perspective (as shown in the Lescott thread) so it is a very difficult position clubs find themselves in.

The credit crunch contracted one means of covering clubs deficits, and its resulted in pushing Portsmouth over the edge. Now Platini wants to contract the other means (Sugar Daddies). Interesting times.
 
Big figure that leaps out there is the Arsenal turnover. Before the Emirates came on stream three seasons ago, Arsenal's turnover was 200M. Now it's 313M.

Everton have no strategy whatsover. They're fannying around now with the stadium issue and have no will/gumption to pull in a buyer. The objective remains the same for us: bump around holding our own in the upper tier of the league whilst selling to buy. Football's very own version of purgatory.
 
61.6%???

I swear some people were saying it was 40% last week? Oh, who to believe.

However, there was a guardian article the other day I think. Only 7 PL clubs made a profit last year. And we're one of them :D
 
Big figure that leaps out there is the Arsenal turnover. Before the Emirates came on stream three seasons ago, Arsenal's turnover was 200M. Now it's 313M.

Everton have no strategy whatsover. They're fannying around now with the stadium issue and have no will/gumption to pull in a buyer. The objective remains the same for us: bump around holding our own in the upper tier of the league whilst selling to buy. Football's very own version of purgatory.

There's no way on earth though that the available money to be tapped into by corporate means dave is comparable to that in the capital, plus how many £34k seats do you think we could sell ? I'd love a ground like the Emirates but we would never fill it and if the prices to get in also had to rise then our crowds could drop.
We are affordable at the moment but say every ticket rose by £7-£10, how many would then be priced out ?
 

@ Best Little Spaniard


No we estimated with the new increased foreign tv deal our wage:turnover would drop to 55%.

Just to clear up any misquoting.
 
@ Best Little Spaniard


No we estimated with the new increased foreign tv deal our wage:turnover would drop to 55%.

Just to clear up any misquoting.

Ok, fair enough. I don't usually get into these types of threads, so never pay attention
 
There's no way on earth though that the available money to be tapped into by corporate means dave is comparable to that in the capital, plus how many £34k seats do you think we could sell ? I'd love a ground like the Emirates but we would never fill it and if the prices to get in also had to rise then our crowds could drop.
We are affordable at the moment but say every ticket rose by £7-£10, how many would then be priced out ?

Arsenal have their model re their stadium and revenue that suits them. If you look at the strategy behind Kirkby - notwithstanding the location taking the club away from it's core area and to a place with poor transport infrastructure - it was sound enough. The club were concentrating on the need to grow the club incrementally and looking to emphasise increase volume of ticket sales from better facilities and seeking to exploit the commercial performance of the stadium outside football (which went west when the Inquiry got going and the 'partners' had to curtail those plans for political expediency). As welcome as corporate box sales would have been they weren't to be the secret of the plans success/failure.

The point, though, is that this has stalled now...until, of course, Mr Elstone makes good his promise to report back 'soon' his stadium team's research.

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These are all 2009 (except Liverpool figures). It doesn't take into account spending in the summer of last year.

Aston Villa's has gotten worse again on those figures. They spent net about another 18million. So that figure for them has deteriorated to maybe 85million.

Similar case for Spurs although maybe not quite as big.
 

Arsenal have their model re their stadium and revenue that suits them. If you look at the strategy behind Kirkby - notwithstanding the location taking the club away from it's core area and to a place with poor transport infrastructure - it was sound enough. The club were concentrating on the need to grow the club incrementally and looking to emphasise increase volume of ticket sales from better facilities and seeking to exploit the commercial performance of the stadium outside football (which went west when the Inquiry got going and the 'partners' had to curtail those plans for political expediency). As welcome as corporate box sales would have been they weren't to be the secret of the plans success/failure.

The point, though, is that this has stalled now...until, of course, Mr Elstone makes good his promise to report back 'soon' his stadium team's research.

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It's not "his stadium team" - its a contracted consultancy. Starting from scratch. So its going to be till the summer until they report back earliest.

So snide aside. You're going to just have to be patient. Unless you want plans done on the back of a f a g packet?
 
Something else to consider in all of this is that whilst externally we appear to be rather strategyless, Moyes has been in the press again this week highlighting the fact that at Everton, he is pretty much the lord of all he surveys. If that is the case then it would seem strange for him to be stumbling from season to season without a plan in mind for how we can progress. Whilst it's perhaps fair to assume that the football and commercial sides of the club are seperated, I dare say Moyes has more input into the commercial side (or at least more understanding of it) than many managers.

So we must not believe that just because a strategy is not in the public domain that one does not exist. Moyes has been picking up young players quite a bit recently so it would appear likely that building a good young team on the cheap is a big part of that strategy. Arsenal have been held up as the model we should go after, but its worth remembering that despite their high income Wenger decides not to spend that much of it, instead building a young team with a feel for the club. I think Moyes is doing the latter part of that very well.

It's also worth considering a number of things about the Arsenal approach in comparison to ourselves. Firstly Arsenal were successful whilst at their old ground, winning championships, cups and even European trophies whilst at Highbury. Secondly the sale of Highbury has earnt them a fortune due to London prices. Thirdly, as has been mentioned elsewhere, ticket prices in London tend to be much higher than in Liverpool. Fourth, Arsenal were regular participants in the Champions League prior to the stadium being built. None of those really apply to us unfortunately.
 

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