6 + 2 Point Deductions

[WestStandLower]

It does highlight the ridiculous nature of the rules
If it’s about profit, then holding off on the sale was the right decision

The whole, It’s us against Forest and what about City, Chelsea etc just deflects from the fact that these rules are not doing what they are designed to do, City aren’t in danger and don’t need saving from themselves, Moshiri and City have in effect brought money into the game whereas the Glasiers are taking money out by leveraging the asset for debt. The rules don’t work.

The most important thing is sporting competition is competition & the Premiership League since its inception has made football uncompetitive

FFP should have been about one thing and one thing only debt. That’s how it was sold in the first case but all that’s happened is debts are getting bigger and yes we had colossal debts to RA but all those were built up whilst FFP was in operation. It should never have been allowed .
I expect it’s been missed by many but Arsenal have in the last couple of days published their accounts they show a a loss of £52.1 million that’s the 5th year in a row they have posted losses 21/22 £45.5, 20/21£ 107.3 19/20 £47.8 18/19 27.1
their debts are now £748.5 milion. Creditors and cash on hand totalled £148 million
Of course Arsenals existence isn’t in jeopardy but their debts have grown like topsy from a position around 10 years where their assets exceeded liabilities to a position where they have a nett debt of £600 million.

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

It’s at Everton’s expense but this whole mishandled processes and overreach from the Premier League should really open a national conversation about a revamp, no a hard reset, of the Premier League away from it’s inept corporate model to something that serves the fans much better.

The suits take a ludicrous wage, the players take extortionate wages, the clubs and selected media make way too much money at the expense of fans. Evertonians shouldn’t be quietened with four points back, it’s still six too many and they have shown the contempt they have had for fans. As well as so much impact on the integrity of this season’s competition. They’ve turned it into a mess.

They continue to meddle and rip fans off because we take it lying down. They need outing and the whole custodian of the game having accountability with fan input.

Bloody hell

A sensible Chico post

Rarer than a turtle dove in Hull on a Wednesday afternoon during a full lunar eclipse

(Love you Chic)

 

[WestStandLower]

Why've we got a Chelsea fan living here

Can assure it’s not to wind you up. All I am trying to do is engage in a conversation which yes impacts at this point in time far more on Everton than any other club but hopefully I do bring another perspective

 

[Goat]

It’s at Everton’s expense but this whole mishandled processes and overreach from the Premier League should really open a national conversation about a revamp, no a hard reset, of the Premier League away from it’s inept corporate model to something that serves the fans much better.

The suits take a ludicrous wage, the players take extortionate wages, the clubs and selected media make way too much money at the expense of fans. Evertonians shouldn’t be quietened with four points back, it’s still six too many and they have shown the contempt they have had for fans. As well as so much impact on the integrity of this season’s competition. They’ve turned it into a mess.

They continue to meddle and rip fans off because we take it lying down. They need outing and the whole custodian of the game having accountability with fan input.

Please never let fans have a say in how football is ran.

 

[ToffeeTim]

There’s a very good reason for that. The premier league wanted clubs to lose less money not more in order to keep them sustainable. The aim was that clubs don’t lose any money, not that they aimed to lose the maximum permissible.

But they also want the best players who cost the most and earn the most, and nothing has happened to reduce the increase in these costs

In the real world , any financial threshold which isn't in some way linked to inflation, isn't going to be sustainable. None of us would be happy to still earn the same amount as ten years if its the same job.

 

[MACCA75]

I just don’t see how they can give points deductions in April, with just a handful of games left in the season.

Think Gary O’Neil was saying today that where you are in the table affects if you are going for a draw or a win late on in games. To be thrown in the relegation mix when you’ve been playing to keep it arms length just isn’t right.

 

[Gilbert..]

The same group of people that haven’t re-written the rules to account for inflation are the ones that have probably gone to Sky, Amazon, BT sport telling them the TV money has to go up at least in line with inflation. Where is the sense in that?

What a great point. Imagine sky telling the premier league at the next contract deal they want to pay the prices of 2013. They'd hit the roof telling them everythings changed from 10 years ago. Unless of course its their P&S sham.

 

[mistuhp]

Still can get my head around these P&S rules are 10 years old and the the losses are still the same taking zero consideration like inflation into it. At no point has the transfer market and players wages stagnated over any 10 year period.
So many grey areas.

In that athletic podcast video posted earlier, it was really weird when Matt Slater made the point that one of the reasons they didn't care to put explicit sanctions in place from the beginning was that none of them could imagine anybody actually breaching, but then he never used the word "inflation" at all. It's quite literally one of the most obvious things that a money amount considered outlandish in one decade will hold much less value in another. Of course 10 years later the bar should've shifted! The fact that both inflation and sentencing were never taken into account when the rules were made is just horrific misgovernance.

At one point, Slater got through his explanation of the PL's logic in all this then pointed out that it was a mistake for them to do it this way, but according to him, the PL was basically looking at treating something with potential points deductions similarly to how they treat sanctions given to individual players and managers for misconduct. That is, they give a ton of freedom to the commissions they pick over levels of sanctions. If that is the thinking behind it, it's no surprise the game has ended up so damaged by the people running it.

 

[PhilRegan]

Disagree

Think they will be more compassionate if anything, in order to save face of the farce they made of the original 1st charge.

They've shown us zero compassion thus far , no reason too now

 

[varnish]

In a way I’m surprised they have t tried reducing the limits in the past ten years. If they want to force all clubs to be non loss making then surely non allowable losses should be down to zero. That’s their view, not that the limits should increase.

 

[matty1878]

And what could Musk do? We aren't allowed to spend or we'll end up infront of a commission again.. we could have the 1000 wealthiest people on the planet as joint owners and these rules will still hinder us from competing.

buy the league mate

 

[matty1878]

You know what, the simple answer to all of this, is that we had been run properly, with an owner who wasn`t a well meaning idiot and an ex chairman / board, that weren`t a bunch of self serving parasites, this thread wouldn`t exist and we`d all be much happier and saner ( apart from @matty1878 )

you all love my insanity keeps you all on your toes as much as everton!

 

[marnie]

It’s at Everton’s expense but this whole mishandled processes and overreach from the Premier League should really open a national conversation about a revamp, no a hard reset, of the Premier League away from it’s inept corporate model to something that serves the fans much better.

The suits take a ludicrous wage, the players take extortionate wages, the clubs and selected media make way too much money at the expense of fans. Evertonians shouldn’t be quietened with four points back, it’s still six too many and they have shown the contempt they have had for fans. As well as so much impact on the integrity of this season’s competition. They’ve turned it into a mess.

They continue to meddle and rip fans off because we take it lying down. They need outing and the whole custodian of the game having accountability with fan input.

Well said Tone. x

 

[COYBL25]

you all love my insanity keeps you all on your toes as much as everton!

Matty, over the past three seasons, you’ve managed to turn the whole forum into a nervous wreck.

 

[matty1878]

Matty, over the past three seasons, you’ve managed to turn the whole forum into a nervous wreck.

we share the pain all blues’s together