6 + 2 Point Deductions

[Victus]

https://churchcourtchambers.co.uk/evertons-points-deduction-and-their-legal-path-ahead-yasin-patel/

This may have been posted but it sets out a bit of hope

It's a shame I can't objectively look at these things as I don't understand so much to counter it. So is he talking sense?

 

[BNJ1878]

Of course it matters, if most of the top players in europe follow the money to Saudi or wherever, the TV companies won't pay much for the rights, asif in a million years uefa, the PL etc would allow that to happen.

I'm all for it myself, as you say iy would make the leagues more competitive, just saying it would never happen

So let them go to Saudi 'or wherever'

The TV companies won't follow them there long term.

You're right of course, UEFA would never allow it to happen, they're busy lining their own pockets, it doesn't mean it's not the most obvious and fairest way to 'fix' football as a competition.

 

[gorgeousgeorgeEFC]

On the TV at the weekend they said we had missed the second most big chances in the whole of Europe.

What we wouldn't give to have Lukaku back!

DCL is a brilliant player and he adds so much to our side, but he isn't clinical in front of goal.

 

[Old Blue 2]

https://churchcourtchambers.co.uk/evertons-points-deduction-and-their-legal-path-ahead-yasin-patel/

This may have been posted but it sets out a bit of hope

Brilliant! That is the sledgehammer with which to demolish the PL and Independent Commission's case...

 

[allen]

It's a shame I can't objectively look at these things as I don't understand so much to counter it. So is he talking sense?

There's a lot to read there, but the conclusion is the salient bit:

Everton’s recent experience with the Premier League’s sanctions raises substantial concerns about the club’s right to a fair trial, potentially infringing upon Article 6 ECHR. The decision-making process of the Independent Commission tasked with evaluating Everton’s alleged breaches of financial regulations came under scrutiny when assessed through both subjective and objective tests concerning bias and impartiality.

The subjective test, which considers personal views and conduct, reveals doubts regarding the panel’s impartiality. Affiliations of panel members raise questions about the independence of the Independent Commission, and the absence of mechanisms to ensure independence and address potential bias further compounds these concerns.

Under the objective test, examining the guarantees offered to exclude doubts about partiality, the Commission’s dismissal of Everton’s mitigating factors lacks objective reasoning. The unique financial circumstances faced by Everton, including significant investments in a new stadium project, the impact of the COVID-19 pandemic, and repercussions from geopolitical issues like the conflict in Ukraine, were not adequately considered. The exclusion of these mitigating factors, despite Everton’s compliance, transparency, and cooperation with the Premier League, suggests a failure of the Commission to objectively assess the evidence.

The New Stadium Project, COVID-19, and the Ukraine conflict all presented challenges beyond Everton’s control, impacting the club’s financial stability. The Commission’s decision to discount these factors when applying the objective test demonstrates a lack of consideration for the unique circumstances Everton faced. The consequences of these events were significant, with losses attributed to the impact of the COVID-19 pandemic and adverse effects due to Everton’s association with Usmanov’s company USM.

The lack of reasoning or explanations as to why exactly 10 points have been deducted from Everton’s points tally in the league season 2023-2024 raises questions as to the basis of this points deduction. If this is the barometer for Everton’s wrongdoing, Manchester City and Chelsea may find themselves being punished with relegation, being stripped of titles and cup wins, transfer bans and financial penalties. In fact, with no real authorities to base the punishment upon or no guidelines, it is almost guaranteed that any punishment would be appealed unless it was too lenient.

The Commission’s decision failed both the subjective and objective tests concerning Article 6 ECHR. Everton was seemingly denied a fair trial, raising questions about the fairness, transparency, and integrity of the Premier League’s regulatory processes. This case underscores the importance of ensuring procedural fairness and adherence to human rights principles in the context of sports governance and the events of 2024 may prove pivotal in determining the league’s commitment to upholding integrity and ensuring equitable treatment for all member clubs.

 

[hallamblue]

So what? Why is everyone trying to limit how much clubs can spend at a completely arbitrary point in history. If they do so they need to enable a level playing field in some other way by revenue redistribution or salary caps etc because it distorts the entire competition.

They would say they're doing it after a number of clubs have gone into administration, some even dropping out of the football league

 

[Tony’s Carp]

There's a lot to read there, but the conclusion is the salient bit:

Very interesting stuff. If our lawyers take a similar view then things could definitely hit the courts, which would be very messy indeed.

 

[Bryan+]

Report is out.

Grim.

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[Marius57]

Report is out.

Grim.

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FFS Marius. I’ve been on here long enough to not fall for that

 

[Paulie]

Isn't it mad how the PL are going out of their way to sanction clubs and don't allow owners to invest, but won't entertain a wage cap or agents taking money from the game.

 

[Ferguson1878]

I genuinely do not understand why they wouldn't?

You look at Man City, Chelsea, PSG, have all been 'New' clubs to the table......who have brought them great exposure regardless of history or fanbase!

Atletico Madrid, Inter etc were all sleeping giants.......until they managed a couple of CL qualifications too generate some income to make themselves relevant again....................you could argue the same would be for Liverpool around 2012-2013! The champions league qualification money made them successful again, not 'prestige' or 'being a big club'

Why would they shut out clubs like Marseille, Benfica, Porto, Celtic, Rangers, PSV, Feyenoord, Dortmund, Galatasaray, Fenerbahçe etc etc were all these clubs are marketable and have outstanding history & fanbases!

Even your build them up clubs are marketable, it would be no different to what it has done with City & Chelsea..........i just dont understand why they would want to close the shop and not make it more even & competitive?

Money mate even if it’s a 1per cent chance they could lose a bit of income thats unacceptable to them , look at how the premier league moan over having to donate to the football league , look how many clubs used furlough during Covid , even utd wanting the tax payers to pay for the old Trafford redevelopment, it’s sheer greed in fact greed doesn’t even cover it

 

[Librarian]

How did the PL first get wind of such a technical ‘reporting’ breach, how exactly were they first alerted to it?

At a time when we had a number of disgruntled ex-directors and had also opened the books to a jilted buyer in favour of another buyer looking for a discount..

Who’s the rat?

Everyone is a suspect

 

[Bungle]

FFS Marius. I’ve been on here long enough to not fall for that

Winds me up when people do it, not acceptable.

 

[blue61]

What we wouldn't give to have Lukaku back!

DCL is a brilliant player and he adds so much to our side, but he isn't clinical in front of goal.

He'd have bagged about 15 already, if not more.

 

[Exeter_Gently]

I’ve already got a season ticket for Marine FC and it’s BRILLIANT

I don't really like footy...infact I think it's crap. Unfortunately I just have an unbreakable bond with Everton that stretches back since the day I was born, If they went bump I'd rearly watch another game of football.