PL place target for the rest of the season

[Brisan123]

We’ll finish 7th......

Exactly because our squad with the expected Jan additions is the comfortably the 7th best squad in the league they just need a half decent experienced manager.

 

[TraffordBlue]

Who said "impressive"?

He had 5 PL games, and they were the only ones that anyone with any sense cared a flying one about:

Played 5: W2 L2 D1. It got us a very welcome 7 points...about 5 more than I;d have expected had Dutch Disaster remained in post.

Unsworth had to contend with 2 games per week, players who knew he'd be gone soon as first team manager because it was always known a new man was being sought, he was using the squad bequeathed to him by another (failing) manager who had no loyalty toward him.

He got us 5 places above where we were.

Denigrate his period in the dugout if you want, I doubt too many others will be of your opinion that it was "terrible".

OK, if you want to remove 2 defeats where we got absolutely humiliated by worse than average sides to suit your argument then you do that. Should I remove his 2 wins to suit mine? P6, W0, D1, L5. Quite easy that isn't it...

Any manager with any sense would also not leave out a player with the quality of Wayne Rooney as many times as he did given the mess we were in either. Rooney may not be what he once was but these attributes can be quite useful to a team - World Class footballing ability, Boyhood fan, gives 100%, is a proven goal scorer. Why did Unsworth continue where Koeman left off playing players out of position, playing unbalanced sides and as a result got the same poor results?

Koeman had 2 games in a week to cope with too, did you cut him any slack? No because that was part of his job as Everton Manager and he should have been able to cope if he was up to the job.

I like Unsworth, think he's come out of this with his head held high in a lot of ways, but he's been a poor manager and anyone trying to pretend otherwise is misrepresenting the truth in my opinion.

 

[royalblue66]

OK, if you want to remove 2 defeats where we got absolutely humiliated by worse than average sides to suit your argument then you do that. Should I remove his 2 wins to suit mine? P6, W0, D1, L5. Quite easy that isn't it...

Any manager with any sense would also not leave out a player with the quality of Wayne Rooney as many times as he did given the mess we were in either. Rooney may not be what he once was but these attributes can be quite useful to a team - World Class footballing ability, Boyhood fan, gives 100%, is a proven goal scorer. Why did Unsworth continue where Koeman left off playing players out of position, playing unbalanced sides and as a result got the same poor results?

Koeman had 2 games in a week to cope with too, did you cut him any slack? No because that was part of his job as Everton Manager and he should have been able to cope if he was up to the job.

I like Unsworth, think he's come out of this with his head held high in a lot of ways, but he's been a poor manager and anyone trying to pretend otherwise is misrepresenting the truth in my opinion.

Leaving Rooney out ? He may have been reading posts on here saying he was past it, and we should never have brought him back.

 

[Goat]

Who said "impressive"?

He had 5 PL games, and they were the only ones that anyone with any sense cared a flying one about:

Played 5: W2 L2 D1. It got us a very welcome 7 points...about 5 more than I;d have expected had Dutch Disaster remained in post.

Unsworth had to contend with 2 games per week, players who knew he'd be gone soon as first team manager because it was always known a new man was being sought, he was using the squad bequeathed to him by another (failing) manager who had no loyalty toward him.

He got us 5 places above where we were.

Denigrate his period in the dugout if you want, I doubt too many others will be of your opinion that it was "terrible".

It was terrible.

We got dicked everywhere by a Saints side who tripled their goals scored all season.

He kept playing Mirallas even though hes been done for 18months, he failed to play the 1 and only match winner in the squad, Rooney and he didnt wear an armband for a single game.

 

[Brisan123]

Top/ Sky 6 are too strong to allow us to make up the points dropped. We can overtake everyone else if we are set up to have a solid rugged defence and develop an effective attack which doesn't compromise that defence. 7th is possible, probably difficult if someone above us keeps on having good results, but readily achievable. 7th is therefore acceptable. If any of that top 6 implodes though, we need to be there like vultures to pick on their bones and get into Europe.

9th would be my bare bones minimum requirement however, and there'd have to be some hefty mitigation if we finished any lower for our new manager still be in a job come September 2018.

Either way I expect FSA to be gone from our club come the start of next season
Even 7th and a FA cup win won’t save him
Would you trust him with a summer transfer budget.
I doubt Moshiri will
He will give him enough to cover the holes in Jan buts that’ll be about it

 

[davek]

OK, if you want to remove 2 defeats where we got absolutely humiliated by worse than average sides to suit your argument then you do that. Should I remove his 2 wins to suit mine? P6, W0, D1, L5. Quite easy that isn't it...

Any manager with any sense would also not leave out a player with the quality of Wayne Rooney as many times as he did given the mess we were in either. Rooney may not be what he once was but these attributes can be quite useful to a team - World Class footballing ability, Boyhood fan, gives 100%, is a proven goal scorer. Why did Unsworth continue where Koeman left off playing players out of position, playing unbalanced sides and as a result got the same poor results?

Koeman had 2 games in a week to cope with too, did you cut him any slack? No because that was part of his job as Everton Manager and he should have been able to cope if he was up to the job.

I like Unsworth, think he's come out of this with his head held high in a lot of ways, but he's been a poor manager and anyone trying to pretend otherwise is misrepresenting the truth in my opinion.

Facts are facts opinions are opinions.

PL position was paramont. He took over the EL campaign when it was dead for us. Do you really judge a manager on games from that competition?

The facts are that Koeman won 29% of the points he had on offer, Unsworth has taken 47% of the points available to him.

If Allardyce does that I'll be a/ very pleased, and b/ very surprised.

 

[LiamG]

Well, there's huge debate about that.

Whatever he managed to mess it up with, he didn't get the England job for been rubbish.

Is he a great manager? No. Is he good at certain aspects - including setting up a team to defend in an organised way and building from there? Certainly.

And that's exactly what this team needs.

Now, Allardyce isn't the only manager who can do that. Definitely not.

But, because our search went on for so long and was so hap-hazard - which is the issue - he's ended up as the only feasible option.

Honestly for a premiership experienced manager he is the best at what he does. Pulis may get better results but his teams are even more awful to watch.

 

[davek]

It was terrible.

We got dicked everywhere by a Saints side who tripled their goals scored all season.

He kept playing Mirallas even though hes been done for 18months, he failed to play the 1 and only match winner in the squad, Rooney and he didnt wear an armband for a single game.

It was terrible against S'ton only in the league games.

Good second half v Leicester
Good away display fighting back to a draw twice at Palace
Great fight back and performance second half v Watford
Terrible from start to finish against S'ton
Swept aside WHU last night

...with someone else's shattered outfit and with the handicap of never being confirmed in the post and thus having ALL the player's focus.

Under the circumstances he did very well.

Give the feller some credit. You backed the utter donkey he replaced FFS.

 

[thirdmantackle]

12th and a good cup run

 

[Goat]

It was terrible against S'ton only in the league games.

Good second half v Leicester
Good away display fighting back to a draw twice at Palace
Great fight back and performance second half v Watford
Terrible from start to finish against S'ton
Swept aside WHU last night

...with someone else's shattered outfit and with the handicap of never being confirmed in the post and thus having ALL the player's focus.

Under the circumstances he did very well.

Give the feller some credit. You backed the utter donkey he replaced FFS.

Im sorry but the Watford game was a fluke, last night was about people wanting to impress Big Gravy and stick 2 fingers up to Moyes, the rest was utter garbage.

He gets credit for keeping his head while all around him lost theres, he gets credit for stepping in and giving it 100%, I appreciate the job he did, but on a footballing level it was shocking, on a personal level I applaud and thank him.

 

[davek]

Im sorry but the Watford game was a fluke, last night was about people wanting to impress Big Gravy and stick 2 fingers up to Moyes, the rest was utter garbage.

He gets credit for keeping his head while all around him lost theres, he gets credit for stepping in and giving it 100%, I appreciate the job he did, but on a footballing level it was shocking, on a personal level I applaud and thank him.

So to the thread itself: what place is acceptable this season?

 

[Goat]

So to the thread itself: what place is acceptable this season?

I honestly couldnt care less, I dont mean that in a nasty way, but this season is done for me, utter nightmare which I just want to end.

All being told, after the last few months, just staying up is acceptable, just getting to May and putting this crapshow behind us.

 

[roydo]

So to the thread itself: what place is acceptable this season?

Not gonna post a league position, but I reckon he might surprise us. If not this season, next one. If hes still here. And EL qualification would not have me falling off my stool.

Like, he is not the most likeable character, and carries a bag of alleged naughtiness. But an idiot he isnt.

 

[Brisan123]

Why minimum 7th? Our squad is infinitely worse than any of the current top 6. We’re so far behind it’s embarrassing.

I agree our squad is infinitely worse than the top 6 but with 3 players back from long term injury and hopefully 3 new signings in Jan ( it may be more if some deadwood can be sold ) we have a squad that’s comfortably better than anyone outside the top six

 

[Gareth Gibson]

One win against a West Ham side that is likely to be relegated doesn't change the fact that our squad is weak and unbalanced.

Big Sam has got a seriously big job on his hands.

With just 15 points from a possible 42, our Premier League survival is far from guaranteed.