Perspective-the ten years pre Moyes

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In reponse to a post in another thread about revisionism of the dour nineties


92/3 - 13th 4pts from relegation
93/4 - 17th 3 pts " "
94/5 - 15th 5 pts " " won cup
95/6 - 6th 2pts off europe place
96/7 - 15th 2pts from relegation
97/8 - 17th missed relegation on goal difference
98/9 - 14th 7pts off relegation
99/00 - 17th exact mid table
00/01 - 16th 6pts off relegation
01/02 - 15th 7pts off relegation
 

glorydaze said:
In reponse to a post in another thread about revisionism of the dour nineties


92/3 - 13th 4pts from relegation
93/4 - 17th 3 pts " "
94/5 - 15th 5 pts " " won cup
95/6 - 6th 2pts off europe place
96/7 - 15th 2pts from relegation
97/8 - 17th missed relegation on goal difference
98/9 - 14th 7pts off relegation
99/00 - 17th exact mid table
00/01 - 16th 6pts off relegation
01/02 - 15th 7pts off relegation
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Nice one for posting. We were pretty forgettable.
 

glorydaze said:
In reponse to a post in another thread about revisionism of the dour nineties


92/3 - 13th 4pts from relegation
93/4 - 17th 3 pts " "
94/5 - 15th 5 pts " " won cup
95/6 - 6th 2pts off europe place
96/7 - 15th 2pts from relegation
97/8 - 17th missed relegation on goal difference
98/9 - 14th 7pts off relegation
99/00 - 17th exact mid table
00/01 - 16th 6pts off relegation
01/02 - 15th 7pts off relegation
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Still at least we won a trophy though in those dour times. Not that I'm not grateful to Moyes for what he's done for the club though.
 
Leeds united finished fifth in Moyes' first season. 11 years in football is a long time.
 
Moyes has done great for us, but with improvements comes expectation, nothing wrong with that. Everyone should always be looking as to how they can improve.
 
Fortunately I only saw us play about 10 games between 1994-2002 working over 200 miles away - as it was too depressing watching the sh1te Smith and co served up.
 
94/5 - 15th 5 pts " " won cup


And that one fact uncontestable fact paints the "dour 90s" as a golden era compared to the even dourer noughties when not so much as a pot was won.

Big Joe v Moyes?

I think the former takes that particular bout, boys.

(y)
 

Khalekan said:
94/5 - 15th 5 pts " " won cup


And that one fact uncontestable fact paints the "dour 90s" as a golden era compared to the even dourer noughties when not so much as a pot was won.

Big Joe v Moyes?

I think the former takes that particular bout, boys.

(y)
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But what gets brought up more? League positions or its been 18 years since we won a trophy?

Most of the football community don't know where we finished in the league in 95, but they know we won a cup.
 
Khalekan said:
94/5 - 15th 5 pts " " won cup


And that one fact uncontestable fact paints the "dour 90s" as a golden era compared to the even dourer noughties when not so much as a pot was won.

Big Joe v Moyes?

I think the former takes that particular bout, boys.

(y)
Click to expand...

Big Joe had one decent season, then joined the other 9 years of turgid s**t. We've had nearly a decade of progress.


What Moyes has achieved has been superb:

Pre Moyes

1992-93 13th
1993-94 17th
1994-95 15th
1995-96 6th
1996-97 15th
1997-98 17th
1998-99 14th
1999-2k 13th
2000-01 16th
2001-02 15th

Moyes arrives
2002-03 7th
2003-04 17th
2004-05 4th
2005-06 11th
2006-07 6th
2007-08 5th
2008-09 5th
2009-10 8th
2010-11 7th
2011-12 7th

We spent over that time less than nearly everyone

[TABLE="width: 478"]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]#[/TD]
[TD]Nett Spend 03/04 - 12/13[/TD]
[TD]Purchased Gross[/TD]
[TD]Sold[/TD]
[TD]Nett[/TD]
[TD]Per Season[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]Chelsea[/TD]
[TD]£704,500,000[/TD]
[TD]£180,000,000[/TD]
[TD] £524,500,000[/TD]
[TD] £52,450,000[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]2[/TD]
[TD]Manchester City[/TD]
[TD]£605,220,000[/TD]
[TD]£187,400,000[/TD]
[TD] £417,820,000[/TD]
[TD] £41,782,000[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]3[/TD]
[TD]Liverpool[/TD]
[TD]£441,880,000[/TD]
[TD]£264,580,000[/TD]
[TD] £177,300,000[/TD]
[TD] £17,730,000[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]4[/TD]
[TD]Manchester United[/TD]
[TD]£365,250,000[/TD]
[TD]£241,850,000[/TD]
[TD] £123,400,000[/TD]
[TD] £12,340,000[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]5[/TD]
[TD]Aston Villa[/TD]
[TD]£216,850,000[/TD]
[TD]£108,375,000[/TD]
[TD] £108,475,000[/TD]
[TD] £10,847,500[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]6[/TD]
[TD]Tottenham[/TD]
[TD]£369,900,000[/TD]
[TD]£267,550,000[/TD]
[TD] £102,350,000[/TD]
[TD] £10,235,000[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]7[/TD]
[TD]Stoke City[/TD]
[TD]£93,670,000[/TD]
[TD]£15,595,000[/TD]
[TD]£78,075,000[/TD]
[TD]£7,807,500[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]8[/TD]
[TD]Sunderland[/TD]
[TD]£188,280,000[/TD]
[TD]£112,100,000[/TD]
[TD] £76,180,000[/TD]
[TD]£7,618,000[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]9[/TD]
[TD]QPR[/TD]
[TD]£74,800,000[/TD]
[TD]£2,650,000[/TD]
[TD]£72,150,000[/TD]
[TD]£7,215,000[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]10[/TD]
[TD]West Ham[/TD]
[TD]£143,880,000[/TD]
[TD]£108,225,000[/TD]
[TD] £35,655,000[/TD]
[TD]£3,565,500[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]11[/TD]
[TD]West Bromwich Albion[/TD]
[TD]£80,485,000[/TD]
[TD]£50,990,000[/TD]
[TD]£29,495,000[/TD]
[TD]£2,949,500[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]12[/TD]
[TD]Fulham[/TD]
[TD]£85,830,000[/TD]
[TD]£68,745,000[/TD]
[TD]£17,085,000[/TD]
[TD]£1,708,500[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]15[/TD]
[TD]Newcastle[/TD]
[TD]£185,800,000[/TD]
[TD]£171,700,000[/TD]
[TD] £14,100,000[/TD]
[TD]£1,410,000[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]14[/TD]
[TD]Norwich City[/TD]
[TD]£28,350,000[/TD]
[TD]£17,410,000[/TD]
[TD]£10,940,000[/TD]
[TD]£1,094,000[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]15[/TD]
[TD]Everton[/TD]
[TD]£131,050,500[/TD]
[TD]£122,416,000[/TD]
[TD] £8,634,500[/TD]
[TD]£863,450[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]16[/TD]
[TD]Swansea[/TD]
[TD]£29,470,000[/TD]
[TD]£27,325,000[/TD]
[TD]£2,145,000[/TD]
[TD]£214,500[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]17[/TD]
[TD]Wigan[/TD]
[TD]£88,865,000[/TD]
[TD]£89,000,000[/TD]
[TD]-£135,000[/TD]
[TD]-£13,500[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]18[/TD]
[TD]Southampton[/TD]
[TD]£56,965,000[/TD]
[TD]£60,150,000[/TD]
[TD]-£3,185,000[/TD]
[TD]-£318,500[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]19[/TD]
[TD]Reading[/TD]
[TD]£22,220,000[/TD]
[TD]£28,550,000[/TD]
[TD]-£6,330,000[/TD]
[TD]-£633,000[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]20[/TD]
[TD]Arsenal[/TD]
[TD]£252,500,000[/TD]
[TD]£267,770,000[/TD]
[TD]-£15,270,000[/TD]
[TD]-£1,527,000[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Our combined wages/transfers are around 14th spot - our average finish is of course not.
We reach a cup final and semi's
We got into Europe repeatedly
We were the first and one of only a couple of teams since to actually breach the top 4 in the sky era
We did this on less than 10mil.. total
His record signing was 15mil which is pennies. Doesn't even make the top 250 signings, yet we are now a properly feared club that no one wants to play against.
You know what.. He's done us proud and it takes a special level of bitternes to ignore all these things and think that one top day makes for a better decade.
 
Ihaters said:
Big Joe had one decent season, then joined the other 9 years of turgid s**t. We've had nearly a decade of progress.


What Moyes has achieved has been superb:

Pre Moyes

1992-93 13th
1993-94 17th
1994-95 15th
1995-96 6th
1996-97 15th
1997-98 17th
1998-99 14th
1999-2k 13th
2000-01 16th
2001-02 15th

Moyes arrives
2002-03 7th
2003-04 17th
2004-05 4th
2005-06 11th
2006-07 6th
2007-08 5th
2008-09 5th
2009-10 8th
2010-11 7th
2011-12 7th

We spent over that time less than nearly everyone

[TABLE="width: 478"]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]#[/TD]
[TD]Nett Spend 03/04 - 12/13[/TD]
[TD]Purchased Gross[/TD]
[TD]Sold[/TD]
[TD]Nett[/TD]
[TD]Per Season[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]Chelsea[/TD]
[TD]£704,500,000[/TD]
[TD]£180,000,000[/TD]
[TD] £524,500,000[/TD]
[TD] £52,450,000[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]2[/TD]
[TD]Manchester City[/TD]
[TD]£605,220,000[/TD]
[TD]£187,400,000[/TD]
[TD] £417,820,000[/TD]
[TD] £41,782,000[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]3[/TD]
[TD]Liverpool[/TD]
[TD]£441,880,000[/TD]
[TD]£264,580,000[/TD]
[TD] £177,300,000[/TD]
[TD] £17,730,000[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]4[/TD]
[TD]Manchester United[/TD]
[TD]£365,250,000[/TD]
[TD]£241,850,000[/TD]
[TD] £123,400,000[/TD]
[TD] £12,340,000[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]5[/TD]
[TD]Aston Villa[/TD]
[TD]£216,850,000[/TD]
[TD]£108,375,000[/TD]
[TD] £108,475,000[/TD]
[TD] £10,847,500[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]6[/TD]
[TD]Tottenham[/TD]
[TD]£369,900,000[/TD]
[TD]£267,550,000[/TD]
[TD] £102,350,000[/TD]
[TD] £10,235,000[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]7[/TD]
[TD]Stoke City[/TD]
[TD]£93,670,000[/TD]
[TD]£15,595,000[/TD]
[TD]£78,075,000[/TD]
[TD]£7,807,500[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]8[/TD]
[TD]Sunderland[/TD]
[TD]£188,280,000[/TD]
[TD]£112,100,000[/TD]
[TD] £76,180,000[/TD]
[TD]£7,618,000[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]9[/TD]
[TD]QPR[/TD]
[TD]£74,800,000[/TD]
[TD]£2,650,000[/TD]
[TD]£72,150,000[/TD]
[TD]£7,215,000[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]10[/TD]
[TD]West Ham[/TD]
[TD]£143,880,000[/TD]
[TD]£108,225,000[/TD]
[TD] £35,655,000[/TD]
[TD]£3,565,500[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]11[/TD]
[TD]West Bromwich Albion[/TD]
[TD]£80,485,000[/TD]
[TD]£50,990,000[/TD]
[TD]£29,495,000[/TD]
[TD]£2,949,500[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]12[/TD]
[TD]Fulham[/TD]
[TD]£85,830,000[/TD]
[TD]£68,745,000[/TD]
[TD]£17,085,000[/TD]
[TD]£1,708,500[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]15[/TD]
[TD]Newcastle[/TD]
[TD]£185,800,000[/TD]
[TD]£171,700,000[/TD]
[TD] £14,100,000[/TD]
[TD]£1,410,000[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]14[/TD]
[TD]Norwich City[/TD]
[TD]£28,350,000[/TD]
[TD]£17,410,000[/TD]
[TD]£10,940,000[/TD]
[TD]£1,094,000[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]15[/TD]
[TD]Everton[/TD]
[TD]£131,050,500[/TD]
[TD]£122,416,000[/TD]
[TD] £8,634,500[/TD]
[TD]£863,450[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]16[/TD]
[TD]Swansea[/TD]
[TD]£29,470,000[/TD]
[TD]£27,325,000[/TD]
[TD]£2,145,000[/TD]
[TD]£214,500[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]17[/TD]
[TD]Wigan[/TD]
[TD]£88,865,000[/TD]
[TD]£89,000,000[/TD]
[TD]-£135,000[/TD]
[TD]-£13,500[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]18[/TD]
[TD]Southampton[/TD]
[TD]£56,965,000[/TD]
[TD]£60,150,000[/TD]
[TD]-£3,185,000[/TD]
[TD]-£318,500[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]19[/TD]
[TD]Reading[/TD]
[TD]£22,220,000[/TD]
[TD]£28,550,000[/TD]
[TD]-£6,330,000[/TD]
[TD]-£633,000[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]20[/TD]
[TD]Arsenal[/TD]
[TD]£252,500,000[/TD]
[TD]£267,770,000[/TD]
[TD]-£15,270,000[/TD]
[TD]-£1,527,000[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Our combined wages/transfers are around 14th spot - our average finish is of course not.
We reach a cup final and semi's
We got into Europe repeatedly
We were the first and one of only a couple of teams since to actually breach the top 4 in the sky era
We did this on less than 10mil.. total
His record signing was 15mil which is pennies. Doesn't even make the top 250 signings, yet we are now a properly feared club that no one wants to play against.
You know what.. He's done us proud and it takes a special level of bitternes to ignore all these things and think that one top day makes for a better decade.
Click to expand...

Spot on there.
 
Ihaters said:
[TD]Chelsea[/TD]
[TD] £524,500,000[/TD]

[TD]Manchester City[/TD]
[TD] £417,820,000[/TD]
Click to expand...

Those net spends are insane. Literally bought the title.


He's done us proud and it takes a special level of bitternes to ignore all these things and think that one top day makes for a better decade.
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He certainly has done us very proud, but that doesn't make him exempt from criticism. It wasn't lack of money that got us knocked out of cups by the likes of Reading, Wigan etc, it was lack of motivation and negative tactics.

This is what we wish the next manager will be able to improve upon, while maintaining similar consistency in the league.
 

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