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Our team selections away from home have been bizarre for a couple of seasons now, you can sort of guess 9 of the 11 players pretty confidently at home but away from home it's completely random. We should just stick with the same 11 now barring injury, no excuses with us only having a game a week (sometimes a fortnight). That should improve our away form.
Saint Domingo
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Players feel fan expectation at home and often get forced to respond. Away from home they go out being told a draw is enough and have no one to tell them otherwise.
The binman chronicles
Player Valuation: £80m
Away matches are expected loses. Why try harder.
evertonarntwe
Player Valuation: £35m
all stems from the managers, set up far to negative
you put a more attacking team out and tell them you expect a win against some of the dross in the league we'd pick a few wins up
he just goes for the draw regardless who we play
you put a more attacking team out and tell them you expect a win against some of the dross in the league we'd pick a few wins up
he just goes for the draw regardless who we play
Let's not ignore the elephant in the room with regards to play away: our form away from home against the top teams is utterly shameful.
From memory, we haven't won at Analfield since 1999, Arsenal was way back July 1996 and it's once at Manure since we won back in 1992.
Then there's one win at Spurs since 2008 and one win at Chelsea since we beat them in 1994, and that victory (2011) was on pens in the cup.
Our record against Man City is starting to become less than respectable as well. Now obviously these are more difficult games to gain a victory...
Yet, when we've been regularly leading the charge to catch the top clubs for many years then this is something we desperately need to improve.
From memory, we haven't won at Analfield since 1999, Arsenal was way back July 1996 and it's once at Manure since we won back in 1992.
Then there's one win at Spurs since 2008 and one win at Chelsea since we beat them in 1994, and that victory (2011) was on pens in the cup.
Our record against Man City is starting to become less than respectable as well. Now obviously these are more difficult games to gain a victory...
Yet, when we've been regularly leading the charge to catch the top clubs for many years then this is something we desperately need to improve.
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Big Fat Sam
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Simply all boils down to negative team selection.
If you put more attacking players in the side than defensive ones (i.e. Rooney instead of Schneiderlin), regardless of what tactics they've been told, you can bet your bottom dollar they'd attack more and thus be more likely to score goals.
Fat Sam plays four defenders, two defensive midfielders and we still end up getting thumped. I'm sure in one game he even played McCarthy alongside Gueye and Schneiderlin. Maybe it was a nightmare, but it wouldn't surprise me. Now I don't care who we're playing against, there is no explanation whatsoever (aside from injury) for Schneiderlin to be in any side above Rooney or Davies.
If you put more attacking players in the side than defensive ones (i.e. Rooney instead of Schneiderlin), regardless of what tactics they've been told, you can bet your bottom dollar they'd attack more and thus be more likely to score goals.
Fat Sam plays four defenders, two defensive midfielders and we still end up getting thumped. I'm sure in one game he even played McCarthy alongside Gueye and Schneiderlin. Maybe it was a nightmare, but it wouldn't surprise me. Now I don't care who we're playing against, there is no explanation whatsoever (aside from injury) for Schneiderlin to be in any side above Rooney or Davies.
GwladysBlue
Player Valuation: £70m
Because every manager we’ve had likes to play the underdog card away from home, instead of going away with arrogance and confidence.
brieverton
Player Valuation: £50m
Agree with more or less all that’s been said.
But even allowing for a lack of passing quality and pace in the team, this has been an issue for years.
Moyes away record didn’t exactly pull up trees either.
You would think that even the law of averages would result in a few more wins each season, and even the odd freakish result against the top six.
Allardyce would be right to draw attention to it but he is only doing it to make excuses.
It’s something that is bad enough and gone on long enough to be discussed between board and manager, surely. The manager of the day can’t get a free pass on our away form any longer, and I feel they have done for years. Because of a lack of investment, a lack of confidence etc etc.
The problem is it has become a self fulfilling prophesy so players go out given a mindset that a point is great.
I’d like to hear someday that the manager is under pressure to do something about our away form, and to own the problem rather than inheriting it like a piece of family silver.
But even allowing for a lack of passing quality and pace in the team, this has been an issue for years.
Moyes away record didn’t exactly pull up trees either.
You would think that even the law of averages would result in a few more wins each season, and even the odd freakish result against the top six.
Allardyce would be right to draw attention to it but he is only doing it to make excuses.
It’s something that is bad enough and gone on long enough to be discussed between board and manager, surely. The manager of the day can’t get a free pass on our away form any longer, and I feel they have done for years. Because of a lack of investment, a lack of confidence etc etc.
The problem is it has become a self fulfilling prophesy so players go out given a mindset that a point is great.
I’d like to hear someday that the manager is under pressure to do something about our away form, and to own the problem rather than inheriting it like a piece of family silver.
why do we struggle away from home...
- lack of pace
- lack of goals
- lack of confidence
- other ✓
I like your out-of-the- box thinking.
Negative tactics. Now I can understand trying to keep it tight against the top teams, but parking the bus against West Brom, Bournemouth etc, then that's just taking the piss.
The Penalty Box Dancer
Player Valuation: £35m
Because there is no emphasis from the manager to pick anything up and if a point is gained its treated like a win.
Mentality is all wrong and we lack a real backbone in the team. We have a squad of players who will do the bare minimum required and nobody who will die for the club.
Mentality is all wrong and we lack a real backbone in the team. We have a squad of players who will do the bare minimum required and nobody who will die for the club.
The Penalty Box Dancer
Player Valuation: £35m
Want to win away from home? Show the opposition no respect and get in their faces. Don't be frightened and be more physical yet with more class and believe you are better.
Go to Watford and play like its your last game and do the same at Burnley. Footballers of yesteryear did it and now these pampered players have better recovery and it all done for them.
Go to Watford and play like its your last game and do the same at Burnley. Footballers of yesteryear did it and now these pampered players have better recovery and it all done for them.
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