2024/25 Orel Mangala

[Eggs]

It varies - lots of factors impact recovery, mental as well as physical. Timber came back relative quickly for Arsenal, others have taken longer. My daughter ruptured hers playing for Ipswich Town in December 2023, had surgery in February 2024 and is now training with the team but non-contact only. It seems to be about nine months post surgery for most professionals who do not experience complications.

If sadly that has what Mangala has done, in essence it is the end of his Everton career - for now, at least.

….sorry about your daughter but as an aside, that seems a very common injury in women’s football.

I’m a big believer that the firm surfaces these days contribute to these happening, just as I think modern boots are the reason there are so many broken foot injuries.

 

[ganistuk]

….sorry about your daughter but as an aside, that seems a very common injury in women’s football.

I’m a big believer that the firm surfaces these days contribute to these happening, just as I think modern boots are the reason there are so many broken foot injuries.

Thanks @Eggs. Unfortunately an ever more likely injury. As you can imagine, we have become quite passionate about cause and prevention. As you mention, surfaces and boots plus anatomy all seem likely contributors, and in the six years she has been in their player pathway she has had no regular strength and conditioning training. They now require her to squat 1.5x her bodyweight before she can re-join contact training!!

There does seem to be a spate of these injuries for both men and women at the moment. Something, somewhere must be contributing to the the increased risk.

 

[COYBL25]

Everybody assumes it's a bad injury...I guess we'll have to wait unti the press conference later in the week to find out exactly.

Spot on, it could just be an injury caused by over extending the leg, which can be very painful, cause the ligaments to stretch, but not snap. Which is usually a couple of weeks recovery for non pro sports people and quicker for the pros with all the fancy rehab and physio that they have access too.

 

[COYBL25]

Thanks @Eggs. Unfortunately an ever more likely injury. As you can imagine, we have become quite passionate about cause and prevention. As you mention, surfaces and boots plus anatomy all seem likely contributors, and in the six years she has been in their player pathway she has had no regular strength and conditioning training. They now require her to squat 1.5x her bodyweight before she can re-join contact training!!

There does seem to be a spate of these injuries for both men and women at the moment. Something, somewhere must be contributing to the the increased risk.

My lads old rugby coach is part of the strength and conditioning team at Everton mate and from what he`s told me in the past, the coaching and fitness staff, 100% take account of the surface for every age group, from the senior pros, right down to the kids at Finch Farm.

The softness / hardness / bounce of the artificial surfaces they train on can be altered depending on what they`re after and is pretty much standard for every club.

 

[Titus Bramble]

….sorry about your daughter but as an aside, that seems a very common injury in women’s football.

I’m a big believer that the firm surfaces these days contribute to these happening, just as I think modern boots are the reason there are so many broken foot injuries.

Thanks @Eggs. Unfortunately an ever more likely injury. As you can imagine, we have become quite passionate about cause and prevention. As you mention, surfaces and boots plus anatomy all seem likely contributors, and in the six years she has been in their player pathway she has had no regular strength and conditioning training. They now require her to squat 1.5x her bodyweight before she can re-join contact training!!

There does seem to be a spate of these injuries for both men and women at the moment. Something, somewhere must be contributing to the the increased risk.

I used to work with a lady who played for Watford, and she said that some of the thinking regarding why this injury seems so prevalent in the women's game was that football boots are predominately designed for male use, not necessarily for the differences in female anatomy in comparison.

She also said there was a lot of discussion around wanting/needing smaller goals for the women's game, but that's a different discussion...

 

[ganistuk]

I used to work with a lady who played for Watford, and she said that some of the thinking regarding why this injury seems so prevalent in the women's game was that football boots are predominately designed for male use, not necessarily for the differences in female anatomy in comparison.

She also said there was a lot of discussion around wanting/needing smaller goals for the women's game, but that's a different discussion...

This. Also, one of the things I have learnt, is that the Nike's women's boots with different stud formation are not guaranteed if they are used on artificial pitches, and most women's games around where I am are on 3G. Many of the girls she plays with rushed to buy them. My daughter now has boots for Soft Ground, Hard Ground and Artificial Grass, ready for her return to action, but I recognise for many people that is an investment they may not be able to afford season-on-season when people are growing.

 

[ganistuk]

My lads old rugby coach is part of the strength and conditioning team at Everton mate and from what he`s told me in the past, the coaching and fitness staff, 100% take account of the surface for every age group, from the senior pros, right down to the kids at Finch Farm.

The softness / hardness / bounce of the artificial surfaces they train on can be altered depending on what they`re after and is pretty much standard for every club.

Really good to hear - sadly not the case everywhere. The physio the surgeon arranged for the first phase of my daughters rehab was ex-rugby. He was brilliant and quite critical of the outdated thinking that remains in football re: ACL recovery. She progressed more in a couple of months with him than she has in the many months since her physio had to be handed over to the football club to manage.

 

[Frosty1878]

This. Also, one of the things I have learnt, is that the Nike's women's boots with different stud formation are not guaranteed if they are used on artificial pitches, and most women's games around where I am are on 3G. Many of the girls she plays with rushed to buy them. My daughter now has boots for Soft Ground, Hard Ground and Artificial Grass, ready for her return to action, but I recognise for many people that is an investment they may not be able to afford season-on-season when people are growing.

It’s the 3G pitches that are the issue so many people have done ACL playing on them was only reading about it the other day and the amount of comments saying they had done theirs playing on 3G is mad.

 

[matty1878]

any updates?

 

[GrandOldTeam]

He's just shared the below on Instagram.

Assume bad news about his injury.

 

[matty1878]

He's just shared the below on Instagram.

Assume bad news about his injury.

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oh i’m wounded

was taking to him in the middle with gana

 

[Blue Alert]

That does not bode well.

 

[maccavennie]

He's just shared the below on Instagram.

Assume bad news about his injury.

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I was thinking "his hair looks a lot different and isn't that a RB kit"

 

[Bebeto]

any updates?

There will be no news until the press conference on Friday...this is Everton, remember?

 

[Del-boy]

Rumours he’s out for 9 months doing the rounds.