Old boys, great assets and dodgy knees.

[BigDunc'sFod]

I hope Duncan is giving the Straq tips in training

 

[Jamo Martinez]

I hope Duncan is giving the Straq tips in training

What? You mean tips in how to train players when he eventually retires.

 

[micknick]

I think of it more as working a few quid his mate's way rather than in those sentimental terms though. These people raked it in at Everton as players. Stubbs made a killing by helping see Rooney safely off to United for his mates in Proactive; Duncan Ferguson played when he wanted to for us and got himself sent off at critical moment that nearly saw us relegated; Weir is just at Everton because we're local for where he lives...he'd be coaching at Rangers if he still had a base up there and that criminal organisation still had wages to pay; someone like Irvine I have no grumbles with: he did his time in coaching and then did a good job with us and now he's back. No problem with that appointment.

OMG.

You..... **bites lip**

Its Friday- woo hoo!

 

[chris_b]

One of the things that has always been special about everton has been its involvement of ex players. There was once a feature about how many ex efc players where in management and if we can help them into a coching career whilst getting something out of it ourselves then why not?

 

[AggieToffee]

I think of it more as working a few quid his mate's way rather than in those sentimental terms though. These people raked it in at Everton as players. Stubbs made a killing by helping see Rooney safely off to United for his mates in Proactive; Duncan Ferguson played when he wanted to for us and got himself sent off at critical moment that nearly saw us relegated; Weir is just at Everton because we're local for where he lives...he'd be coaching at Rangers if he still had a base up there and that criminal organisation still had wages to pay; someone like Irvine I have no grumbles with: he did his time in coaching and then did a good job with us and now he's back. No problem with that appointment.

Who pooped in your cereal?

 

[BoysInBlue]

Time will tell. Another way of approaching this is to ask why are Duncan Ferguson/Stubbs/Weir especially good men to have coaching Everton youngsters rather than another ex-pro with skills at coaching?

Maybe because David Moyes has worked with these players at first hand for numerous years, knows what they are like, knows that they wanted to become coaches, and gave them a chance to learn and start their coaching careers.

I fail to see what's at all controversial about it, and how it can be anything other than a big win for all concerned. Stubbs/Weir had great reputations and are well respected on and off the field. In the case of Weir, any player that managed to keep playing at a fairly significant level past the age of 40 has certainly made a lot of right choices in his lifestyle, that others can learn from.

Ferguson - yeah, I can possibly see why some might raise an eyebrow, given his trials and tribulations. In his favour is that he would likely be respected because of his stature, and at a very basic level, youngster can learn from him not to copy some of his mistakes.

It's fairly disrespectful to the professionalism of Moyes to suggest he'd even engage in 'jobs for the boys'. How many ex-Man Utd players get jobs at Utd? Solksjaar got an Academy job at Utd when he retired through injury. What qualified him to be a Utd Reserve Team Manager? Same thing as Moyes, maybe Fergie saw something in him and gave him a chance.

 

[davek]

Maybe because David Moyes has worked with these players at first hand for numerous years, knows what they are like, knows that they wanted to become coaches, and gave them a chance to learn and start their coaching careers.

I fail to see what's at all controversial about it, and how it can be anything other than a big win for all concerned. Stubbs/Weir had great reputations and are well respected on and off the field. In the case of Weir, any player that managed to keep playing at a fairly significant level past the age of 40 has certainly made a lot of right choices in his lifestyle, that others can learn from.

Ferguson - yeah, I can possibly see why some might raise an eyebrow, given his trials and tribulations. In his favour is that he would likely be respected because of his stature, and at a very basic level, youngster can learn from him not to copy some of his mistakes.

It's fairly disrespectful to the professionalism of Moyes to suggest he'd even engage in 'jobs for the boys'. How many ex-Man Utd players get jobs at Utd? Solksjaar got an Academy job at Utd when he retired through injury. What qualified him to be a Utd Reserve Team Manager? Same thing as Moyes, maybe Fergie saw something in him and gave him a chance.

I dont care what United or any other club do. I have no problem with Weir, Stubbs or DF getting coaching roles. I do have a problem with them having zero experience and just being parachuted into a job at the club and learning the ropes here without doing work at other clubs or doing their badges at the arse end of their career. Seems a fair enough obligation from them from where I'm sitting. I dont think the club is best served by Moyes surrounding himself with what looks to be the appointment of more yes men - people who'll have his back and owe him for their posts. And there's also the issue of what happens when there's a clearout of a managerial team. There's an argument here for a director of football - although the post usually looks like another level of unwanted bureaucracy I can see the beauty in it in that it can provide continuity and cut down on disruption when managers move on either taking staff with them or leaving them behind to be sacked. If directors of football are involved in coaching appointments that gets cut to a minimum. At the end of the day it'd cut down on the cronyism that blights football too.

 

[McBain]

I dont care what United or any other club do. I have no problem with Weir, Stubbs or DF getting coaching roles. I do have a problem with them having zero experience and just being parachuted into a job at the club and learning the ropes here without doing work at other clubs or doing their badges at the arse end of their career. Seems a fair enough obligation from them from where I'm sitting. I dont think the club is best served by Moyes surrounding himself with what looks to be the appointment of more yes men - people who'll have his back and owe him for their posts. And there's also the issue of what happens when there's a clearout of a managerial team. There's an argument here for a director of football - although the post usually looks like another level of unwanted bureaucracy I can see the beauty in it in that it can provide continuity and cut down on disruption when managers move on either taking staff with them or leaving them behind to be sacked. If directors of football are involved in coaching appointments that gets cut to a minimum. At the end of the day it'd cut down on the cronyism that blights football too.

Know what you're saying here, but I'm all for it. You usually find the hardest [Poor language removed] growing up usually have the biggest impact teaching the youngsters. There's great footage somewhere of a young Rooney watching Dunc working the Defenders over; elbows, knees, scone... you can't teach that... you need to absorb it and that's exactly why they are back. All the badges in the World can't teach you those tricks.

 

[Frank Drebin]

Know what you're saying here, but I'm all for it. You usually find the hardest [Poor language removed] growing up usually have the biggest impact teaching the youngsters. There's great footage somewhere of a young Rooney watching Dunc working the Defenders over; elbows, knees, scone... you can't teach that... you need to absorb it and
that's exactly why they are back. All the
badges in the World can't teach you those
tricks.

Badges? We don't need no stinking badges.

 

[wabisabi]

... although the post usually looks like another level of unwanted bureaucracy I can see the beauty in it in that it can provide continuity and cut down on disruption ...

Have you taken an Andrew Lansley pill?

 

[davek]

Have you taken an Andrew Lansley pill?

No mate, he's a corrupt Tory looking to work a few quid to people of his own class. I'm arguning for the opposite.

 

[Hibbosculturedrightboot]

what manager is going to appoint people in posts who will undermine him and his philosophy? Of course Moyes will take on people he knows and trusts to work within his vision (the question of if you like his vision ah a fan is another debate). Its like most organizations. Personally I'm quite happy the club are trying to develop up and coming coaches and form a solid backroom team.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

We should be choosing the best coaches for the job. If they're a former player then that's a bonus, but we shouldn't believe someone's a great coach just because they were a decent player. That's a well known cognitive bias called the Halo Effect, whereby we take one attribute we know about (ie their playing ability) and assume because of this that someone must also be good at something we know nothing about (ie their coaching ability)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halo_effect

 

[chris_b]

The ex players now what it means to play 4 everton. This is a key thing for young players to learn. They r not in major roles but in positions to learn the job whilst contributing to the club. No one made a fuss when irvine and sheedy where appointed so why now.