Nothing has changed in the past year under Moyes

[billycopper]

There are a lot of sandwiches in sport, knuckle and others that have to be swallowed.
If Jela is fishing for FK's it isnt working and he should go back to scaring opposition with his instinctive finishing, not just 6 yard stuff - have a fukkkkin pop.
Biggest side in the world? You mean Man Utd? He was never even a contender, a tryer but never a fit into a side persisting with Anderson and a chronically gutted Fletcher. Evidence enough?

So far as the rest, it aint good enough. Mucha is an international that plays what 4 internationals a year. Heitinga still isnt over his WC final red and being found out in the Prem. Gueye was a stop gap filler type we hopefully wont lose loads on. Hitz we fought to sign SHORT TERM because no one would give a real contract too because he is all Gibson. And Neville is BigMac filler.
The youth setup not churning out Dunne, Ball and Rooney every year isnt their responsibility - one can only work with the unfinished gems at ones disposal. If they aint there, they aint there.

I can't keep responding to this. We'll have to agree to disagree.

 

[Everton 1878 NSNO]

I thought and I'm not making excuses that mucha was fouled leading up to the first goal and that changed the whole dynamic of the game, those fouls are always allowed against us and we never get them for us in opposition boxes. I think an element of constantly fighting a losing battle against referees caused a bit of annoyance amongst the team after the first goal which consequently led to the others. From the first few minutes though you could see how poor they were but they were trying at least some were. I could discuss more and rehash a lot of what people said but I just felt this played a small part and its been constant throughout the whole season. The reason for playing the seniors was to reduce mistakes but again this whole season has been mistake after mistake he has to play the youth and bed them in he has no choice I don't think we will stand for another season like this, some might say it's good I say it should have been far better and we wont have the same next season with these same players who are older and not freshening the team up.

 

[footballcrazy]

I think the game was lost with those three quick fire goals. One goal down, bit of organization on team's part and it would have been different game. But agree Moyes is choking on big stages and until he changes that, no big team will touch him.

 

[allezlesbleus]

Lots of interesting points in this thread.
Think Moysie's had an initial 5 year plan to mould smiths team into something more energetic, rejuvenate the average age and move on steadily the really dire players even if we got no money for them. Job done I think. Second phase was to build his own team and so long as his Crown Jewels weren't sold against his will he wouldn't be too upset at not having much money. Still saw himself as a coaching manager and good motivator. That process was going ok IMO when you saw good football playing teams develop slowly but surely. But the best 14 or so have been used rigidly and even over used to the point that there is a big gap between our best team when in form and the understudies. As soon as the best 14 lose form in any way or carry a knock (even Baines here?) the understudies dont look ready to step in. Relative lack of backing financially has caught up and he has not been able to show flexibility in his tactics to vary things from game to game enough. The structure and set up of team is similar each week and no one seems to be thinking on their feet to do things differently when plan A doesn't work.
He doesn't seem interested in a third plan under these circumstances and it is transmitting it all and sundry. CM of Neville and Osman in front of CB of heitenga and Distin was always likely to sit too deep, invite possession in danger areas and isolate our dangerous players around the edges of the pitch starving them of possession. It is what has happened before. Not ****ging Osman off btw. He tried throughout. He has not got the physical power to carry that whole area when younger more energetic oppo get in his face. Neville gifting the second goal was the icing on the cake because it brought out the latent frustration for many that he was playing at all. Cue an angry divided Goodison turning on own players rather than united against oppo. A number thoroughly deserved the stick they got for a pitiful effort. But in context it probably made matters worse rather than better. Was more gutted at lack of fight back than goals flying in. That happens in cup matches, did against boro and Sunderland. We fought back then but not really yesterday.

 

[ScouseBlueBoy]

The lack of any form of apology from the club for yesterday speaks volumes.

In the 70s we voted with our feet.

The way the ground was at the end of the game yesterday was what it was like at the start of some matches back then.

Tha's the way it should be. **** mediocrity. NSNO? Yeah, right.

The sheeple should boycott Goodison.

Under Moyes, supporting Everton is like having a cd collection of one disc. I like variety. Lack of funds does not excuse that team selection. Moyes should be publicly 'flayed' for it - instead the media are patting him (and us) on the head because, as far as they are concerned, yesterday was us being put in our 'rightful place'.

Time for a change - but have you got the balls to handle it?

 

[Del]

The lack of any form of apology from the club for yesterday speaks volumes.

In the 70s we voted with our feet.

The way the ground was at the end of the game yesterday was what it was like at the start of some matches back then.

Tha's the way it should be. **** mediocrity. NSNO? Yeah, right.

The sheeple should boycott Goodison.

Under Moyes, supporting Everton is like having a cd collection of one disc. I like variety. Lack of funds does not excuse that team selection. Moyes should be publicly 'flayed' for it - instead the media are patting him (and us) on the head because, as far as they are concerned, yesterday was us being put in our 'rightful place'.

Time for a change - but have you got the balls to handle it?

Short answer is no

Kenwright has his puppet and would not dare upset the fans who back Moyes

Imagine a new man coming in and upsetting the apple cart

 

[ToffeeDan]

Vote with your feet?

Pity in a way the next game's against City (quite apart from the 5-1 lamping we've got coming) but there will be 37,000 in the ground. No voting with feet there.

Wait for Stoke - 29,000 - that'll show Mr. Boy'sPenBleedingBlueBloodBilly KingsDockKirkbyKenwright..

 

[Steve Wigan]

Lots of interesting points in this thread.
Think Moysie's had an initial 5 year plan to mould smiths team into something more energetic, rejuvenate the average age and move on steadily the really dire players even if we got no money for them. Job done I think. Second phase was to build his own team and so long as his Crown Jewels weren't sold against his will he wouldn't be too upset at not having much money. Still saw himself as a coaching manager and good motivator. That process was going ok IMO when you saw good football playing teams develop slowly but surely. But the best 14 or so have been used rigidly and even over used to the point that there is a big gap between our best team when in form and the understudies. As soon as the best 14 lose form in any way or carry a knock (even Baines here?) the understudies dont look ready to step in. Relative lack of backing financially has caught up and he has not been able to show flexibility in his tactics to vary things from game to game enough. The structure and set up of team is similar each week and no one seems to be thinking on their feet to do things differently when plan A doesn't work.
He doesn't seem interested in a third plan under these circumstances and it is transmitting it all and sundry. CM of Neville and Osman in front of CB of heitenga and Distin was always likely to sit too deep, invite possession in danger areas and isolate our dangerous players around the edges of the pitch starving them of possession. It is what has happened before. Not ****ging Osman off btw. He tried throughout. He has not got the physical power to carry that whole area when younger more energetic oppo get in his face. Neville gifting the second goal was the icing on the cake because it brought out the latent frustration for many that he was playing at all. Cue an angry divided Goodison turning on own players rather than united against oppo. A number thoroughly deserved the stick they got for a pitiful effort. But in context it probably made matters worse rather than better. Was more gutted at lack of fight back than goals flying in. That happens in cup matches, did against boro and Sunderland. We fought back then but not really yesterday.

Interesting thoughtful post, well worth a read, and an intelligent analysis. I do think however that there are other squad members, outside what you call 'the fourteen' who have ,given their limited chances, have not really let us down and have been deserving of maore game time.Velios, Oviedo,Duffy, and even Barkley, who while not ready for a permanent place, is well capable of giving a midfielder a 20-30 minute break , and regardless of the state of the game. Moyes brought in Oviedo and Velios, and I think Duffy and Barkley have come through our system(?), and having acquired these players Moyes appears reluctant to give them any meaningful responsibility. He has got to have more faith in the bottom ten players in his squad. I see big changes on the field next season, and for the first time I can buy into the theory that Moyes could leave. Yesterday could prove to be as big a turning point in Everton history as the horrible defeat at Middlesborough, when the only player fighting for the manager on that occasion was the managers buddy, Gazza.

 

[allezlesbleus]

Interesting thoughtful post, well worth a read, and an intelligent analysis. I do think however that there are other squad members, outside what you call 'the fourteen' who have ,given their limited chances, have not really let us down and have been deserving of maore game time.Velios, Oviedo,Duffy, and even Barkley, who while not ready for a permanent place, is well capable of giving a midfielder a 20-30 minute break , and regardless of the state of the game. Moyes brought in Oviedo and Velios, and I think Duffy and Barkley have come through our system(?), and having acquired these players Moyes appears reluctant to give them any meaningful responsibility. He has got to have more faith in the bottom ten players in his squad. I see big changes on the field next season, and for the first time I can buy into the theory that Moyes could leave. Yesterday could prove to be as big a turning point in Everton history as the horrible defeat at Middlesborough, when the only player fighting for the manager on that occasion was the managers buddy, Gazza.

Ta. I do agree that the understudies have been wasted. I accept that we have rarely been 2/3 up which would be the perfect time to bring new guys on but they should certainly have had more time because you just can't develop on the bench. I still think Moyes is genuinely well thought of among his first pick players but I would be amazed if anyone thought a CM of Neville and Osman when Fellaini and Gibson were available was anything other than an accident waiting to happen. Hence the speedy evaporation of team spirit and fight back when things went wrong. Looked ok hugging and patting each other on back in warm up...... Disappeared in face of a bit of adversity, although I agree 3conceded in such quick time must have been a major shock. Cup football though......had lots of time to put it right