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Totally let down by the linesman.

But in what universe are a combo of Osman and Neville a premier league central midfield pairing?

I don't mind osman behind the forward, but everywhere else he's useless. Neville is finished (I thought this had been seen by moyes last season?)

I wonder what the stats are when Anichebe comes on as opposed to when hes not on -- he does nothing ALL game and yet when he does score goals acts as if hes player of the season. Credit for scoring but just standing around like a lump the rest of the time doesnt cut it for me,

Heitinga should be in the side, if i was him id have put in a transfer request to be honest.


Fellaini and Mirallas pure class.



EDIT -- oh and yes we should have won last night - BUT im talking about the players not just one game !
 

Zatara2 said:
Totally let down by the linesman.

But in what universe are a combo of Osman and Neville a premier league central midfield pairing?

I don't mind osman behind the forward, but everywhere else he's useless. Neville is finished (I thought this had been seen by moyes last season?)

I wonder what the stats are when Anichebe comes on as opposed to when hes not on -- he does nothing ALL game and yet when he does score goals acts as if hes player of the season. Credit for scoring but just standing around like a lump the rest of the time doesnt cut it for me,

Heitinga should be in the side, if i was him id have put in a transfer request to be honest.


Fellaini and Mirallas pure class.



EDIT -- oh and yes we should have won last night - BUT im talking about the players not just one game !
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Couldn't agree more.

As I've said in another post I'm not sure where Osman was meant to be playing and it seemed to me that he was unsure too at times. Felliani seems to play more on the left than right and with Pienaar and Baines out there too it makes no sense for Osman to be out there too, often he just gets in the way of what is the best left side in the Premier League. He gets out-muscled in the middle and simply doesn't have the skills to bring much to the right. Last season he generally played well behind the striker(s) / at the sharp end of the diamond (if that's what we were trying to achieve then) .. but now Felli / Mirallas / Naismith appear to preferred there.

Moyes should have been thinking about bringing Heitinga on when Neville got booked, at least he'd sit back, provide cover for Distin & Jagielka and give Osman less defensive duty and more license to roam .. plus distribution from the back (i.e. Jagielka) wouldn't have been so '**** part of last season'
 
sportbillyblue said:
Couldn't agree more.

As I've said in another post I'm not sure where Osman was meant to be playing and it seemed to me that he was unsure too at times. Felliani seems to play more on the left than right and with Pienaar and Baines out there too it makes no sense for Osman to be out there too, often he just gets in the way of what is the best left side in the Premier League. He gets out-muscled in the middle and simply doesn't have the skills to bring much to the right. Last season he generally played well behind the striker(s) / at the sharp end of the diamond (if that's what we were trying to achieve then) .. but now Felli / Mirallas / Naismith appear to preferred there.

Moyes should have been thinking about bringing Heitinga on when Neville got booked, at least he'd sit back, provide cover for Distin & Jagielka and give Osman less defensive duty and more license to roam .. plus distribution from the back (i.e. Jagielka) wouldn't have been so '**** part of last season'
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Baines, Pienaar and Fellaini are all left sided -- on the right Hibbert, Mirallas should be there with a right sided central midfielder inside mirallas -- Gibson when fit.

Playing the past it neville and also lightweight osman in roles they just cant achieve success in is a mystery.
 
Same old, same old with Moyes.

First half, it was like our impressive start to the season all over again - some scintillating football, forward-thinking, aggressive and penetrative.

But in the 2nd half - notwithstanding the goals conceded nor the 'goals' incorrectly chalked off - it was typical Moyes. How he still can't see what everyone else can see, i.e. Neville is well, well past his sell-by date and shouldn't come close to the CM position, and Osman is never going to make a quality Premiership player (too lightweight, can't kick a ball well enough).

This stubbornness from Moyes was even more apparent once Neville was walking the tightrope, and he should have at least taken him off at that point.

Heitinga should have been in there, or perhaps Fellaini, in the deeper CM role from the off. I hope that in Naismith we have someone who can oust Osman, and I just pray he attains match sharpness asap.

As for Anichebe. Words fail me.

Yet Moyes still persists in seeing merit in those 3. We got rid of some of our deadwood this summer, and we need to see these 3 off as a priority, too.
 
there is a lack of squad depth.

When Gibson is injured and Jelavic it highlighted that their replacements aren't really up to it. Anichebe scored a really great goal but he can't lead the line like Jelavic or Straq did. I wish Straq had come on with Anichebe or Mirallas in support. Can't we get him back from the amazon ffs.

The only position where we have solid cover is CB.

I think Heitinga should be on the verge of a start after Distin and Jagielka's horror show for the last goal.
 

Right after sleeping on it and the fume easing off a little here are my views.

Firstly Phil Neville. My god that was the worst performance I've ever seen from him in cm. I've defended the critism he gets on here but last night was shocking. He didn't just look a bit poor as he does sometimes, for the first time he really looked his age combined with his limited abilities as a CM player! He mustn't start there again... Simple.

Now did we fail to win because of Neville? truth is NO. Even with that hinderence we dominated that first half and should of been 2/3 goals clear. Pienaar's decision not to give Osman a tap in was criminal. Moyes clearly thinks we will be stronger as a unit with fellaini up top and Neville in cm. clearly thinks the positives out way the negatives and on that first half it's hard to disagree, however poor Neville looked.

Onto the second half and Newcastle were always going to get better, when u have cisse and ba your always going to carry a threat and it's clear they also had a rocket up there ass's at half time. Unfortunately whilst we were adjusting to there changes Osman shows why he's never got an England cap. Squad player at best and Howard's involvement in both goals Was diss appointing to say the least.

From the 1-1 possition we were robbed pure and simply. Tactics and subs from moyes wouldn't Of stopped the clueless officials disallowing 2 goals. Everything is extageratted by the final score. If we had won (which we should) although we'd all still be voicing are disaproval over Neville and osman it wouldn't seem so bad and like there being on the field affected the result.

Speaking of subs I don't think moyes had many options tbh. I would of thought as alot of others heitinga for Neville at some point in the second half would of been a good bet. I don't believe in the moyes fav's theroey in regards to bringing a player on/off. I dont know why it wasn't but I wouldn't be suprised of heitinga has suggested he only wants to be considered for CB role. And tbf he should get that next week at the expense of distin who has been poor in all but the utd game.

It's a steady start to the season points wise, but performance wise is the difference from previous seasons. CM asside which is clearly a problem without Gibson, we are looking good.. Very good attacking and dangerous with the ability to score goals.
I'm still optimistic everything went against us last night yet still got a 2-2 draw so not all bad...

We could be villa, Liverpool...ect ect
 
I've only watched the first half an hour yet, but what sticks out is the way Nev loses the ball, then just chops down his man in the same breath.

Moyes must feel like every time he plugs a positional hole another one springs up. The above lid is right, if I was Heitinga I'd have put a transfer in knowing those two plebs starting week in week out.
 
I have never been so mad over a draw. We could have scored 8. Neville hibbert and osman need to **** off.the amount of times hibbert just wastes possession is ridiculous.

Fellaini needs to be cm. It might not be his best position but we don't have anyone else to play there a part from Gibson.

And when the **** is Coleman going to be given his chance at rb
 
We have some cracking players.

But we also have some pretty average players who are only useful when they are playing at the top of their game. It will always hold us back.
 
Its absolutely no surprise that we're talking about the midfield pairing of Neville and Osman irrespective of all the other events that happened in the game - Neville was shocking but I wouldn't have been surprised if he was anything above poor, his attempt at controlling the ball on the edge of their box in injury time (our last attack) really really did my head in, the bloke literally adds noting to the team, Osman loses the ball in midfield and they score, again no surprise, Osman regularly loses/gets shrugged off the ball....................its no use being 75% a good manager Davey
 

I'm not sure if Moyes or the squad is to blame (well, Howard obviously is) as we even though we should've scored a few more we did score four perfectly good goals. The football was good before the boss slotter got injured and the second half wasn't all that bad either, just a bit disjointed at times from both sides. Fuming because of the result, tho'.
 
bflefc said:
As for Anichebe. Words fail me.
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What's he done now mate?

Last year he done very well and scored some important goals despite seeming to still have the bad attitude.

This year the attitude seems to have improved, he's working hard as if he wants to fight for a place and he's been a right handful when used.

His goal, as well as the goal that should of been was reward for his good nights work and despite him having his limitations I think he could be a very useful player for us who will only get better in time.
 
boris said:
What's he done now mate?

Last year he done very well and scored some important goals despite seeming to still have the bad attitude.

This year the attitude seems to have improved, he's working hard as if he wants to fight for a place and he's been a right handful when used.

His goal, as well as the goal that should of been was reward for his good nights work and despite him having his limitations I think he could be a very useful player for us who will only get better in time.
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Defo this. ANY premier league team would like to have a player like him to come off the bench and have a go. There's some kind of prejudice set in around Victor that wont allow many of our supporters to see his plus qualities. I think the club leaking info on disputes in training and about contract negotiations is at the heart of it.
 
i think Howard was at fault for 2 goals, 2 very soft goals, Ba must of thought it was Christmas.
Neville did have a shocker and it makes me think does Gibson carry Neville? cos Neville seems ok playing with Gibson,
1st half we kicked ass, im thinking had Moyes said sit back on this 1-0? cos we was a different side in the 2nd half.
there was to many hit the ball up field and hope in the 2nd half too, (which worked well for Newcastle)
Osman was poor defensively, should never be played there again,
i dont think Jags and Distin had that bad a game, they was playing against 2 quality forwards and a long ball.
 

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