neil999
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i dont think what you suggest is un-reasonable, but we would have to leave the EU..if leaving the EU is a benefit to britain is then a seperate debate!
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i dont think what you suggest is un-reasonable, but we would have to leave the EU..if leaving the EU is a benefit to britain is then a seperate debate!
It's not offensive as it's just your opinion
I'm just not sure that such a thing is all that practical. We've had situations over the past century where states have tried to manage the economy. By and large it's been a horrendous failure.What therefore makes us think that the state can do any better when trying to manage who is employed by whom? It should only really be a conversation between employer and employee.
Lets be honest here, in pure economic terms, you're not worried about people coming here and working. You're concerned about people coming here and not working, therefore claiming on benefits/healthcare/whatever.
EFCNIK
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It's not offensive as it's just your opinion
What therefore makes us think that the state can do any better when trying to manage who is employed by whom? It should only really be a conversation between employer and employee.
Lets be honest here, in pure economic terms, you're not worried about people coming here and working. You're concerned about people coming here and not working, therefore claiming on benefits/healthcare/whatever.
That and also setting up own little replicas of the holes they came from as what always happens. And I believe we have enough unemployed people to fill low skilled jobs. We should only be bringing in highly trained people who can benefit us that way. If a poorer Romanian or Pakistani or whatever comes in in the 'hope' of getting some sort of job then of course they will rely on the state to fund them. They wouldn't have money to support themselves otherwise. There should be a minimum amount an immigrant has in their account to ensure they can support themselves, they should have housing already arranged and they should have a job to go to. Then I'd say that all immigrants cannot claim benefits for 5 years. That would soon sift out who wants to come here for a pre determined opportunity and who wants to come because they can get everything on the taxpayer.
It's not about race or colour or creed. We want the best trained people from wherever who have skills we have a shortage in. I'm sorry, but people who will work 18 hours in a car wash barely making ends meet and claiming to help support themselves arnt what we need. It's nothing against them personally, as I'd do the same in heir position but Unfortunatly we shouldn't be the charity case that we are.
Toffeelover
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I do not think you are a very nice person. It's racist people like you that UKIP appeals to you.
Ashtonian
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There are three things about this debate that I believe is important to me.
1. Foreign influences. Granted people can adopt whatever language they like and beliefs etc my point is when you get all sorts of madness like Christmas restrictions, flags taken down etc in case it might offend someone then I do have an issue with that.
2. Leeching off the state. One reason why people come to this country is the free money for coming here. Not opinion, that's clearly a fact. However to the same extent foreigners do all the jobs that are beneath us English just so they can make a living. The difference is one benefits the country and one leeches from it. I am fine to work for or alongside someone who has been an immigrant, just not to pay for their house whilst they live the life or reilly.
3. The amount it costs the country. For all the money in this country it surely must cost us to pay for immigrants to come here. There needs to be a tighter restriction on who comes into the country rather than the open door policy that is in place. Even housing taken up could be taken up by people who live here rather than them being told to move house or pay bedroom tax.
Look the reality is immigrants is not a new issue. You have an issue about Romania n's? Before them it was turkish, before them pakistanis, Chinese, Irish. You get the point, I don't hear any calls to kick them all out because they all are part of what is England today. To be honest I work with the lot of them in my office and there isn't anything other than respect between us all because we are all equal. Give it time. And it will just be another country being targeted.
I used to know someone who worked 2 jobs here cleaning. All the money when could afford was.being sent back to Africa to build a house for him.and his family to live in. Do people agree with that?
For everyone who has a problem with the issue there is always a deeper political issue that effects them from the government that is being masked. Of course there are problems with foreigners coming into the country and filling up the prisons but the fact of the matter is this, we English are much worse. The problem is the fact nothing is done about it.
1. Foreign influences. Granted people can adopt whatever language they like and beliefs etc my point is when you get all sorts of madness like Christmas restrictions, flags taken down etc in case it might offend someone then I do have an issue with that.
2. Leeching off the state. One reason why people come to this country is the free money for coming here. Not opinion, that's clearly a fact. However to the same extent foreigners do all the jobs that are beneath us English just so they can make a living. The difference is one benefits the country and one leeches from it. I am fine to work for or alongside someone who has been an immigrant, just not to pay for their house whilst they live the life or reilly.
3. The amount it costs the country. For all the money in this country it surely must cost us to pay for immigrants to come here. There needs to be a tighter restriction on who comes into the country rather than the open door policy that is in place. Even housing taken up could be taken up by people who live here rather than them being told to move house or pay bedroom tax.
Look the reality is immigrants is not a new issue. You have an issue about Romania n's? Before them it was turkish, before them pakistanis, Chinese, Irish. You get the point, I don't hear any calls to kick them all out because they all are part of what is England today. To be honest I work with the lot of them in my office and there isn't anything other than respect between us all because we are all equal. Give it time. And it will just be another country being targeted.
I used to know someone who worked 2 jobs here cleaning. All the money when could afford was.being sent back to Africa to build a house for him.and his family to live in. Do people agree with that?
For everyone who has a problem with the issue there is always a deeper political issue that effects them from the government that is being masked. Of course there are problems with foreigners coming into the country and filling up the prisons but the fact of the matter is this, we English are much worse. The problem is the fact nothing is done about it.
Re #2, do you have a reference for that fact?
Re #3, all evidence that I've seen (ie official government figures) shows that migrants contribute far more, both to the economy and to the state coffers, than they consume. They do so largely because they often aren't in the high dependency stages of life. The biggest cost in terms of taxation comes from youngsters and pensioners. Migrants often arrive here without a family, and leave before they retire.
Ashtonian
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Reference to what part?
It is a little nieve to think that there isn't a proportion of immigrants that enter this country for the benefits system. The problem this country like others have is that although more and more countries enter the eu we are not all equal so why wouldn't you want to move if you could for a life that wouldn't involve working far beyond the average for a pittance. It is the restriction of this that needs to a dressed to prevent it from happening.
As from the cost of them being here. How much does it actually cost to have a significant increase on the health service or councils? For all the money they bring in, which is fine in my eyes btw, it increases demand on everything due to the greater numbers. Ergo it costs the country more money to increase the population by a significant amount on a yearly basis.
Good luck to him as far as i'm concerned.
A reference for the # of migrants that come in with the intention of doing nothing but claim benefits.
Regarding the costs involved, yes, of course there will be some, but all available data suggests that migrants pay significantly more in tax than they receive in public services.
As said, by some margin, the largest 'spenders' of NHS resources are those giving birth and those in retirement. Migrants are significantly less likely to be either than natives.
EFCNIK
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Those filthy white caucasian Italians. Cant stand them.
You're all mental. Seriously.
Toffeelover
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You have just conformed the accuracy and truthfullnes of my post, congratulations.
In terms of skills perhaps, but globally some $500bn a year is sent back to the homeland of migrants. India receive around $70bn alone, with China not far behind.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-12-17/global-immigrants-send-500-billion-back-home.html
That would probably put the Indian remittance in the top 100 companies in the world by revenue, and bigger than any native Indian company.
bluemangroup
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Isn't that known as leakage?
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