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For me, I don't think the "Giant" discussion can be over-simplified and so polarised.

I get that some take issue with Unsworth being included as he was a player of limited ability. But he was part of a trophy winning side and has been a big part of the club over a long period albeit with debatable value added. Of course for those fans that have experienced success and had the privilege of watching great players and teams wear the royal blue jersey, honouring players of limited ability and those who haven't won anything feels like celebrating mediocrity. Despite being lucky enough to have experienced the success in the early 80s, I'm not sure I can entirely align with that view.

We haven't won anything for 30 years and many fans will never have tasted true success, but does that mean they didn't have their "heroes" or favourite players? Do clubs who have literally never won anything not have players that they consider giants/heroes/stalwarts worthy of honouring? Does every player who was part of a trophy winning team warrant "Giant" status? Is Matt Jackson more worthy than Baines because he won the 95 FA Cup and Leighton won nothing?

It's surely subjective and personal. Many factors to consider such as ability, success/achievements, length of service etc, but the Ferguson discussion demonstrates that for some it can be something else, an X factor, a certain je ne sais quoi, that elevates that player's status for them. I may not agree, but it's their opinion and it is valid for them.

I would personally put Cahill and Baines ahead of Unsworth although I'm not sure I'd have chosen them for a Giant stone if asked to compile the list myself. I would not take issue with most of the players that have been included but I wasn't lucky enough to see quite a number of them play.

Kanchelskis was a truly world class player and, for a brief time, in an otherwise fairly forgettable period for EFC, set the pitch alight for us and lifted bums off seats. But he only played like 50 times for us and won nothing.

Mike Trebilcock scored twice in the 66 FA Cup final to help us bring home the trophy, was the first black/mixed heritage player to play for us, and the first black/mixed heritage player to score in an FA Cup final. Historically meaningful and successful, but he only made 11 appearances for us.

It's clearly not as simple as it may seem. There are definitely players I think are more worthy of recognition than say Unsworth, but it is my view and I'm not going to argue that it should be everyone else's. 🤷‍♂️
Can you refrain from balanced and level headed posts like this please.

This is GoT, we only deal in polarising extremes of positive or negative.
 

likes of Baines, Cahill and Arteta didnt win anything but its different eras

Arteta and Baines are clearly ahead of any footballer pre the 80s, as its a different game and theyre technically better with changes in the game, coaching etc

if you plonk Arteta into the 80s and he can deal with being kicked, he’s the best player in the league and would have won trophies

same applies to Baines, Pienaar, Lukaku and the like
 
Unsworth and Ferguson are the only ones whose inclusion I find a bit illogical. I guess the 95 cup win seals it for both, when combined with caretaker manager spells so perhaps that added weight to their inclusion.

Cahill is a surprise omission for me, he should be there on merit.

You can make a case for several other players too but in addition to Cahill I'd expect Seamus to be included in time, and sooner rather than later if this is to be his final season.

He has been an enduring positive feature of the club for a decade and a half and his off-field contributions in terms of trying to raise standards and raise morale in very trying circumstances would appear to have been of real importance, when we needed that type of voice. A deserving candidate for a bit of recognition like this as I see it.
 

Hearing the pitch issue is related to the sand infill in the dock starting to settle more unevenly and they need to sort out the levelling and undulating surface.
Don’t shoot the messenger, my neighbours, daughters, fella’s, sister’s, dog walker is married to someone working on it.
Parts of it turning in to quick sand apparently.
That sounds quite concerning.
 
Hearing the pitch issue is related to the sand infill in the dock starting to settle more unevenly and they need to sort out the levelling and undulating surface.
Don’t shoot the messenger, my neighbours, daughters, fella’s, sister’s, dog walker is married to someone working on it.
Parts of it turning in to quick sand apparently.
I knew the stadium would sink

Oh well

KNOCK IT DOWN AND START AGAIN FFS!!!
 
Hearing the pitch issue is related to the sand infill in the dock starting to settle more unevenly and they need to sort out the levelling and undulating surface.
Don’t shoot the messenger, my neighbours, daughters, fella’s, sister’s, dog walker is married to someone working on it.
Parts of it turning in to quick sand apparently.
Quick buy Nelson dock and start again.
Gets on the ST waiting list for 5 years time
 
Hearing the pitch issue is related to the sand infill in the dock starting to settle more unevenly and they need to sort out the levelling and undulating surface.
Don’t shoot the messenger, my neighbours, daughters, fella’s, sister’s, dog walker is married to someone working on it.
Parts of it turning in to quick sand apparently.
Quick sand?
80's horror is back! Will there be killer bees?
As long as our players know where to avoid, we'll be fine.
A great home advantage.
 

Quick sand?
80's horror is back! Will there be killer bees?
As long as our players know where to avoid, we'll be fine.
A great home advantage.
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Not looking good for the third test event
 
Hearing the pitch issue is related to the sand infill in the dock starting to settle more unevenly and they need to sort out the levelling and undulating surface.
Don’t shoot the messenger, my neighbours, daughters, fella’s, sister’s, dog walker is married to someone working on it.
Parts of it turning in to quick sand apparently.
If anyone actually falls for this more fool you :D

Nice try though mate lol
 
Hearing the pitch issue is related to the sand infill in the dock starting to settle more unevenly and they need to sort out the levelling and undulating surface.
Don’t shoot the messenger, my neighbours, daughters, fella’s, sister’s, dog walker is married to someone working on it.
Parts of it turning in to quick sand apparently.
FFS. Our players are slow enough. Having them run through literal quick sand is just taking the piss.
 

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