New Everton Stadium Discussion

[arch stanton]

I know you don't care.... as I said, ignorance is bliss and you are blissfully unaware!
It's feck the consequences.... because you don't care and only want to see glossy images, have attention defficiency and comprehesion difficulties?

My broken dreams.....? You mean the ones for a stadium on kings dock or on Clarence Dock that I actual paid to have analysed, those dreams?

I'm a bit wary of people trying to silence others, especially without ever responding to actual points made......

It appears your only argument is one of semantics.... is NWHL a new stadium or a redeveloped stadium? Is the Millenium/principality stadium a new stadium or a redeveloped stadium? In many ways they are both. Plus, this thread predates BMD and originally didn't dispel the possibility of redevelopment at all..... does that mean by your playground logic we actually need a separate BMD construction thread? I don't think so!

As I've just said in response to another post..... New and old are inextricably linked and that is the case while various issues are not resolved or clarified.

The decision process should never be a fait accompli and should always be one based on sound Cost Benefit Analysis,/Benefit Cost Ratios and various metrics such as Net Present Value, Profitability Indexes and others that are ALL in some way direct comparisons between New and Old. They are completely dependent on the financial model used and various important influences such as transport, rebranding and basic goodwill etc. Any changes in any of the variables, such as cost, interest rates, loan term or criteria that affect these, can dramatically change the viability of the project..... with outcomes that can be entirely different for owner and club going forward.

In otherwords, whether you like it or not..... you should never drive forward without looking in your rear mirror, and you have to continually check it throughout your journey even if there's a car full of naked woman playing BMD videos in the car front of you.

So, if you're bored son, you can always skip the page, just look at the pictures..... or go and play out. (a bit old school I know, you're probably more playstation than play-out)

Mate, if you're a shareholder, the shareholders meetings are places to ask some of these questions, you aint getting answers here. from there GoT bedwetters that the rest of us are. Your work was very interesting at the time redeveloping Goodison may have been an option and indeed it would be nice to see them aired in its own thread, not this one

 

[arch stanton]

Hey lads, look at this new stadium finances thread https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/new-stadium-finances.113450/

and this Goodison new version thread. https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/new-goodison-look-at-what-you-could-have-won.113451/

 

[Tom Hughes]

Please I'm begging you for the love of Ada start another thread. This has been a high light for me ever since the build started and you are single handedly ruining it.

Why would I start another thread when I'm responding directly to points made on this one. How can pertinent points and issues relating to BMD and its success ruin a thread about BMD? That makes no sense!! Is it a happy clapper thread or a discerning Evertonian discussion thread?

 

[maccavennie]

I am the same fella.... i think someone posted a link to the TW articles, one is the KEIOC concept while the other is a looser outline summary of a few options (by no means exhaustive). I think responded to @Macavennie....I may have misread his post as I thought he was referring to the John Moores study from early 1980s that I'd mentioned.

Hi Tom, yes I was talking about the 1980's design.

 

[davek]

that vacuum can be filled in another thread, its not hard.

It's a stadium thread - it's hardly veering way off topic to compare and contrast what any hoped for new stadium would offer to the one we have. It's not like a thread devoted to a player is being used to attack a manager or anything like that.

 

[arch stanton]

It's a stadium thread - it's hardly veering way off topic to compare and contrast what any hoped for new stadium would offer to the one we have. It's not like a thread devoted to a player is being used to attack a manager or anything like that.

goodison redevelopment posts are on topic hey? Whilst there is an obvious connection for the financing of this stadium to the stadium thread, it is specialist enough to deserve its own thread.

 

[Tom Hughes]

Mate, if you're a shareholder, the shareholders meetings are places to ask some of these questions, you aint getting answers here. from there GoT bedwetters that the rest of us are. Your work was very interesting at the time redeveloping Goodison may have been an option and indeed it would be nice to see them aired in its own thread, not this one

I am not just discussing redevelopment though..... I'm merely responding directly to points and assertions made in this thread about that. At the same time showing that both New and old are linked and that any decisions, reservations or concerns regarding BMD tie them together.
Every measure that has been used to assess BMD throughout should refer directly back to building new at GP..... that's how CBA always works. So saying GP is irrelevant is nonsense.

 

[arch stanton]

I am not just discussing redevelopment though..... I'm merely responding directly to points and assertions made in this thread about that. At the same time showing that both New and old are linked and that any decisions, reservations or concerns regarding BMD tie them together.
Every measure that has been used to assess BMD throughout should refer directly back to building new at GP..... that's how CBA always works. So saying GP is irrelevant is nonsense.

the last few pages you've just been replying to posters who've asked you to move the topic to more relevant threads

 

[Tom Hughes]

the last few pages you've just been replying to posters who've asked you to move the topic to more relevant threads

No I haven't been just replying to those at all..... However, where I have, i have shown that any cost benefit analysis or similar process involved is primarily about the basic comparison between new, old and/or other options. That is where the concerns and reservations about BMD still exist. That is is the core theme of my posts, and is entirely pertinent to this thread, which predates BMD in anycase.

 

[arch stanton]

No I haven't been just replying to those at all..... However, where I have, i have shown that any cost benefit analysis or similar process involved is primarily about the basic comparison between new, old and/or other options. That is where the concerns and reservations about BMD still exist. That is is the core theme of my posts, and is entirely pertinent to this thread, which predates BMD in anycase.

Mate, take a break, and come back and post lots in the other threads. This thread is about the build, not about cost benefit analysis (surely this is pre decision work) or comparing other options, (surely that is pre decision work).

Like the ferries from BMD to North Wales, those ships have sailed for the last time. This thread isn't about concerns and reservation about BMD, its about the build THAT HAS STARTED TO HAPPEN.

 

[Tom Hughes]

Mate, take a break, and come back and post lots in the other threads. This thread is about the build, not about cost benefit analysis (surely this is pre decision work) or comparing other options, (surely that is pre decision work).

Like the ferries from BMD to North Wales, those ships have sailed for the last time. This thread isn't about concerns and reservation about BMD, its about the build THAT HAS STARTED TO HAPPEN.

No, this thread predates BMD and is surely about all things relating to it, past, present and going forward. Literally nothing has yet been set in stone. As far as I can see, it isn't a BMD construction only thread. Even on the stadium architecture websites it hasn't yet been moved to construction status.

No reservations? So you know precisely how the financial model works and what that'll mean going forward? What our new projected matchday and commercial incomes will be as a result? What our ROI, loan payments/period will be? If you cannot reference that information, you cannot really say there are no outstanding reservations pertinent to this thread.

 

[Toffeelover]

City a disaster? I hope we are as disastrous and ask Utd fans about Old Trafford, it is falling apart.

Really, is it?

 

[Eggs]

No, this thread predates BMD and is surely about all things relating to it, past, present and going forward. Literally nothing has yet been set in stone. As far as I can see, it isn't a BMD construction only thread. Even on the stadium architecture websites it hasn't yet been moved to construction status.

No reservations? So you know precisely how the financial model works and what that'll mean going forward? What our new projected matchday and commercial incomes will be as a result? What our ROI, loan payments/period will be? If you cannot reference that information, you cannot really say there are no outstanding reservations pertinent to this thread.

….I like the vids from the drones regularly showing the progress of the development. It’s really good having something so positive happening.

 

[arch stanton]

No, this thread predates BMD (started in 2014) and is surely about all things relating to it, past, present and going forward. Literally nothing has yet been set in stone. As far as I can see, it isn't a BMD construction only thread. Even on the stadium architecture websites it hasn't yet been moved to construction status.

No reservations? So you know precisely how the financial model works and what that'll mean going forward? What our new projected matchday and commercial incomes will be as a result? What our ROI, loan payments/period will be? If you cannot reference that information, you cannot really say there are no outstanding reservations pertinent to this thread.

Tom, this thread was started in 2014, you were touting designs from the 1980s earlier, and funnily enough, I don't know the finance models. Just like I didn't know the finance models for lots of other things. why are you so desperate to spoil this thread?

 

[Amw79]

Unsure if legit or not, but few tweets about this.