New Everton Stadium Discussion

Economic development would prevail over WHS particularly in a climate of uncertainty.

This is hardly unexpected so I'm not particularly concerned in isolation though if the board needed a get out of jail free card, this is it. It's a licence to stall and stall again.

It's cold hard cash and the availability of such that dictates whether this gets built or remains a concept on Meis' drawing board.

If - and it's an enormous if given the inflation in the costs - this gets funding then all other obstacles will be dealt with.
 
Sorry mate but it really does.
It doesn't, because I dont think the club are simply conning us on this. I say they're grasping at straws to think they can make it happen and wasting everyone's time, and that is the basis of 'good people being fooled' on BMD.
 

The Pier Head, the Albert Dock (including the Beatles Story), William Brown Street (World Museum/Picton Library/St Georges Hall), the Town Hall, Liverpool Rope Walks....

People come to Liverpool to see these buildings. They come also to go to Everton's old ground and Penny Lane/Strawberry Fields/Menlove Avenue etc too.

It's for the birds to say that WHS sites have no pulling power. Of course, many would come to see those buildings if Liverpool were off the WHS list. Many more wouldn't as most people see Liverpool as "Beatles City" and if they dont want to see that they'd swerve Liverpool.

The WHS adds to the footfall into Liverpool. No question.

It's pitiful that Evertonians are so desperate to get a stadium built they throw all reason out the window. I wouldn't mind, but it's a huge piss take anyway...as it always has been.

Strawberry Fields, Penny lane, Menlove Avenue, Beatles Museum, The entire 'Beatles city' is covered separately under the World heritage for music accreditation, which isn't at risk.
 
Strawberry Fields, Penny lane, Menlove Avenue, Beatles Museum, The entire 'Beatles city' is covered separately under the World heritage for music accreditation, which isn't at risk.
Yes, and as I stated - not everyone who visits England and wishes to tour outside London will be interested in the Beatles; there are plenty of tourists who simply wish to visit some of the country's historic and listed buildings...which outside London...Liverpool has most of.

There is no comfort in telling ourselves that if WHS is rescinded then the tourist industry would be unaffected. It would be. There is no way the Liverpool Chamber of Commerce or Liverpool Vision or any other interested party will be happy with UNESCO taking Liverpool's name of their list of places to visit.
 
Yes, and as I stated - not everyone who visits England and wishes to tour outside London will be interested in the Beatles; there are plenty of tourists who simply wish to visit some of the country's historic and listed buildings...which outside London...Liverpool has most of.

There is no comfort in telling ourselves that if WHS is rescinded then the tourist industry would be unaffected. It would be. There is no way the Liverpool Chamber of Commerce or Liverpool Vision or any other interested party will be happy with UNESCO taking Liverpool's name of their list of places to visit.
Sounds like you don't want our stadium in a run down rat infested site adjacent to a sewerage plant then Dave....
 

Yes, and as I stated - not everyone who visits England and wishes to tour outside London will be interested in the Beatles; there are plenty of tourists who simply wish to visit some of the country's historic and listed buildings...which outside London...Liverpool has most of.

There is no comfort in telling ourselves that if WHS is rescinded then the tourist industry would be unaffected. It would be. There is no way the Liverpool Chamber of Commerce or Liverpool Vision or any other interested party will be happy with UNESCO taking Liverpool's name of their list of places to visit.

The city put together a task force last October (I think) to understand at a level as detailed as possible the impact of WHS on the city and therefore the cost of losing it. Would be interesting to see the output of that.
 
The city put together a task force last October (I think) to understand at a level as detailed as possible the impact of WHS on the city and therefore the cost of losing it. Would be interesting to see the output of that.
I'm no expert but I could've saved LCC a tidy sum of dosh.
However the said task force was I am sure rewarded for their insight...
 
Yes, and as I stated - not everyone who visits England and wishes to tour outside London will be interested in the Beatles; there are plenty of tourists who simply wish to visit some of the country's historic and listed buildings...which outside London...Liverpool has most of.

There is no comfort in telling ourselves that if WHS is rescinded then the tourist industry would be unaffected. It would be. There is no way the Liverpool Chamber of Commerce or Liverpool Vision or any other interested party will be happy with UNESCO taking Liverpool's name of their list of places to visit.

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Latest figures show Liverpool City Region’s Visitor Economy is now worth over £4.5bn, last year welcomed 64m visitors to the region and supports over 53,500 jobs.

Liverpool remained the fifth most visited destination in the UK for overseas visitors – this is supported by hotel occupancy data which showed a 2.2% increase for overnight staying trips.

These findings are contained in the latest independent research for 2017 commissioned by the Visitor Economy Team at Liverpool City Region Local Enterprise Partnership (LEP).

Headline city region-wide figures show:

  • The region welcomed over 64.2m visitors to the region – a 2.7% increase. This comprised of 59m day visitors (up 2.8%) and 5.3m staying visitors, up 2.6% on the previous year.
  • Those staying in paid accommodation rose by 3.6% to 2.6m – the economic impact from this alone rising by 8.9% to £0.95bn.
  • Consequently, the region has enjoyed increased employment in the sector – over 53,500 jobs, an increase of 3.5%.
For Liverpool alone:

  • A 1.9% increase in visitor numbers – up to 35.4m.
  • A 2.2% increase in the number of staying visitors (2.6m) – including a 2.1% increase in serviced accommodation days.
  • The wider benefit of this growth is the 3.2% rise in jobs – to almost 35,000 in Liverpool.
  • The economic impact in Liverpool is now £3.02bn – a rise of 5.6% in the last year.
These figures are published by the STEAM (Scarborough Tourism Economic Activity) model, which is used throughout the UK tourism industry to measure economic impact of the visitor economy, and International Passenger Survey. The results are calculated using a range of tourism inputs including hotel occupancy, transport figures, attractions attendance figures and event figures.

Long term trends show that from 2009 to 2017, there has been 66% growth in the economic value of the visitor economy to the Liverpool City Region, rising from £2.73bn to £4.53bn – this is equivalent to an average growth of around 6.5% per year. Over the same period there has been an increase in the number of day and staying visitors, rising annually from 52.3m in 2009 to 64.2m in total by 2017.

Placed in wider context, Visit Britain’s annual summary, shows an increase of 4.3% in inbound tourism visits in the last year, with the City Region recording nearly 3% growth in 2017. However, the City Region has enjoyed nearly 3% growth in the number of days that visitors stayed, whilst the rest of the UK saw a fall of 1.3% on average.

This may be attributable to the combination of several positive factors including increasing access to the city region through key hubs such as Liverpool John Lennon Airport, which in the last year saw 4.95 million passengers use the Airport, an increase of almost 3%, compared to 2016 and the Airport’s highest annual figures since 2011.

The international appeal of high profile events across the region such as the Open Golf Championship in Sefton to The River Festival in Liverpool, coupled with an annual uplift of 3.5% in the average income per occupied room (ADR) across the year will also have contributed to the positive impacts recorded in 2017.

Also underpinning this growth is the widely reported Brexit effect, which has made the UK a cheaper destination for overseas tourists, and domestically, boosted the trend towards staycations, as the low pound has increased the cost of holidaying abroad.

Peter Sandman, Head of Visitor Economy for the LEP, said: “In the ten years since Liverpool became European Capital of Culture, the city, and region as a whole has seen the visitor economy experience a healthy growth and the sector continues to contribute significantly to the region’s economy.

“It is particularly encouraging to see our overseas visitors staying longer, as well as the number of jobs supported by the sector continuing to grow – which covers a wide range of employment options across accommodation, food and drink, recreation and retail.”

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Nobody cares about old buildings.
 
The Pier Head, the Albert Dock (including the Beatles Story), William Brown Street (World Museum/Picton Library/St Georges Hall), the Town Hall, Liverpool Rope Walks....

People come to Liverpool to see these buildings. They come also to go to Everton's old ground and Penny Lane/Strawberry Fields/Menlove Avenue etc too.

It's for the birds to say that WHS sites have no pulling power. Of course, many would come to see those buildings if Liverpool were off the WHS list. Many more wouldn't as most people see Liverpool as "Beatles City" and if they dont want to see that they'd swerve Liverpool.

The WHS adds to the footfall into Liverpool. No question.

It's pitiful that Evertonians are so desperate to get a stadium built they throw all reason out the window. I wouldn't mind, but it's a huge piss take anyway...as it always has been.
So what is it you want, David? Do you want us to abandon BMD? I have a strong feeling if we did you would present that as a failure of the current board and ownership. Do you want to stay at Goodison? If so, how do we go about redevelopment? Kirkby was a shed next to Tesco, WHP will decimate local recreation spaces, Stonecross divorces us from our history etc, etc... Every option is wrong, according to you at least. What's the solution, David? We can't stay as we are, surely you accept that at least.
 

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