My fear going forward - what about the youth?

[catcherintherye]

Leads the line well holds the ball up power just injury prone now sad Nolan ended his career!
At times best back to goal player we have ever had in his youth!

Good post Joey. I can never believe the criticism the lad gets really. A lot of people quote his goals per app, but a lot of his appearances were as subs, or playing wide. He never really got a run through the middle but had he I think he'd do a job for a side. Lets put it this way, I'd rather have him than any of Kone, Niasse or Valencia as a backup for Rom.

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

I really do think some people actually want the younger players to fail

It's a strange attitude to have

 

[coollino]

Just make them sleep in GP for the homeless, good PR.

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

Here's the thing with playing young players

There was no guarantee that the Class of 92 were going to make it

None at all

People say it will never happen again, and they're right

The reason it will never happen again is not because there isn't a group of youngsters at a Premier League Club good enough to do it, but ultimately because no manager will ever have the guts and bravery to do what Ferguson did

The view of Alan Hansen was the view of the majority back in 1995 when Ferguson gave those lads a chance

But he stuck by his guns and it paid off

Scholes, Giggs, Beckham, Butt and The Nevilles would never had made it if they hadn't been given the minutes they were given when they were given them. If they'd been stuck in the same cycle as a Conor McAlney, they wouldn't have risen above it either

At some point, you just have to be brave enough to believe in the kids

I can guarantee you that if a forum like GOT was around for Man United supporters in 1995, threads would be full of angry knee jerkers following that defeat to Villa on the first day of the season demanding that Beckham, Scholes, The Nevilles and Butt not be played any more because they weren't good enough and never would be and that big money needed to be spent on proven players etc

It really says all you need to know about Ferguson's brilliance that he stuck with those players when he did, even when pundits from every corner were declaring it the death knell for his team

Just goes to show that if you really want kids to make it, you have to eventually bite the bullet and take a chance

Unfortunately, we live in such a risk averse climate these days that I just can't see it happening, and football is much worse off for it IMO

 

[ijjysmith]

Here's the thing with playing young players

There was no guarantee that the Class of 92 were going to make it

None at all

People say it will never happen again, and they're right

The reason it will never happen again is not because there isn't a group of youngsters at a Premier League Club good enough to do it, but ultimately because no manager will ever have the guts and bravery to do what Ferguson did

The view of Alan Hansen was the view of the majority back in 1995 when Ferguson gave those lads a chance

But he stuck by his guns and it paid off

Scholes, Giggs, Beckham, Butt and The Nevilles would never had made it if they hadn't been given the minutes they were given when they were given them. If they'd been stuck in the same cycle as a Conor McAlney, they wouldn't have risen above it either

At some point, you just have to be brave enough to believe in the kids

I can guarantee you that if a forum like GOT was around for Man United supporters in 1995, threads would be full of angry knee jerkers following that defeat to Villa on the first day of the season demanding that Beckham, Scholes, The Nevilles and Butt not be played any more because they weren't good enough and never would be and that big money needed to be spent on proven players etc

It really says all you need to know about Ferguson's brilliance that he stuck with those players when he did, even when pundits from every corner were declaring it the death knell for his team

Just goes to show that if you really want kids to make it, you have to eventually bite the bullet and take a chance

Unfortunately, we live in such a risk averse climate these days that I just can't see it happening, and football is much worse off for it IMO

Or they're literally just not good enough.

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

I think the big problem our young players are is that they are mostly good defenders or central midfielders, which are important roles but considerably less box office, which is why they struggle to get people rooting for them

Beckham, Scholes and Giggs were all exciting players who were capable of doing flashy things

Think about how little coverage Nicky Butt always got comparatively

Look at how much hype there was for Barkley for instance, because he was an attacking player who did exciting things

You don't get that same level of excitement for a Browning or a Galloway, even though you could make an argument that they're better at their core job (Defending) than Barkley is at his (Being an attacking midfielder)

I mean, if Galloway came back from his loan and was made our first choice LB, would anyone truly be worried? I mean, he's shown he's capable of playing in the first team. But would anyone be particularly excited either?

That's the problem I feel

Supporters are too risk averse and also too single minded in the criteria they use to judge young players

 

[Lanolin]

I think the big problem our young players are is that they are mostly good defenders or central midfielders, which are important roles but considerably less box office, which is why they struggle to get people rooting for them

Beckham, Scholes and Giggs were all exciting players who were capable of doing flashy things

Think about how little coverage Nicky Butt always got comparatively

Look at how much hype there was for Barkley for instance, because he was an attacking player who did exciting things

You don't get that same level of excitement for a Browning or a Galloway, even though you could make an argument that they're better at their core job (Defending) than Barkley is at his (Being an attacking midfielder)

I mean, if Galloway came back from his loan and was made our first choice LB, would anyone truly be worried? I mean, he's shown he's capable of playing in the first team. But would anyone be particularly excited either?

That's the problem I feel

Supporters are too risk averse and also too single minded in the criteria they use to judge young players

Don't agree with this at all.

Butt gets less coverage because he wan't as good - hence him getting less international caps than the others, and him moving to Newcastle while Beckham moved to Real Madrid. You've also conveniently left Gary Neville off your list, I assume because he gets just as much fuss as the others despite being a player totally lacking in 'box office'.

Stones was a centre half who has been lauded far more than Barkley, but that's because he looks like he could be genuinely world class rather than just very good. I think this is the point you're missing. If Galloway becomes our next left back playing like he regularly has for us and West Brom then I will certainly not be impressed, simply because I don't think he looks particularly good there. If he starts playing like Maldini then I'll be absolutely ecstatic. It's exactly the same as people getting really excited by Rooney and not by Anichebe - nothing to do with their position on the pitch and everything to do with how far we think they could take us if we can keep hold.

 

[USABlue]

 

[tellmema]

One thing about the youth is that they tend to give their all for the shirt. is also a reason they make mistakes. but anyway, this is something I see lacking at the moment.
That's what pees me with Ross, I don't see enough passion.

Everton - making you argue with yourself since forever.

 

[Papa Shango]

Good post Joey. I can never believe the criticism the lad gets really. A lot of people quote his goals per app, but a lot of his appearances were as subs, or playing wide. He never really got a run through the middle but had he I think he'd do a job for a side. Lets put it this way, I'd rather have him than any of Kone, Niasse or Valencia as a backup for Rom.

People didnt like him because his attitude often stunk.

He has got a decent amount of ability in certain areas.

I reckon he would destroy the championship.

 

[Papa Shango]

If he starts playing like Maldini then I'll be absolutely ecstatic.

No pressure then Brendan..

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

Don't agree with this at all.

Butt gets less coverage because he wan't as good - hence him getting less international caps than the others, and him moving to Newcastle while Beckham moved to Real Madrid. You've also conveniently left Gary Neville off your list, I assume because he gets just as much fuss as the others despite being a player totally lacking in 'box office'.

Stones was a centre half who has been lauded far more than Barkley, but that's because he looks like he could be genuinely world class rather than just very good. I think this is the point you're missing. If Galloway becomes our next left back playing like he regularly has for us and West Brom then I will certainly not be impressed, simply because I don't think he looks particularly good there. If he starts playing like Maldini then I'll be absolutely ecstatic. It's exactly the same as people getting really excited by Rooney and not by Anichebe - nothing to do with their position on the pitch and everything to do with how far we think they could take us if we can keep hold.

Yeah Nicky Butt only made the team of the tournament in the 2002 World Cup didn't he?

Well rubbish

 

[Ernie]

Go outside mate and lash yerself in the bin

 

[Lanolin]

Yeah Nicky Butt only made the team of the tournament in the 2002 World Cup didn't he?

Well rubbish

Well firstly, that's a straw man argument isn't it? I didn't say he was rubbish, I used the same criteria you did - a comparison against beckham and scholes. You won't find many football fans or coaches who think butt was a better footballer than those two, so it stands to reason that he wouldn't be talked about in the same way.

Secondly, can I respectfully suggest that when next constructing a straw man argument you at least make it a decent one? The answer to your question, you see, is a resounding no, he did not.

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

Well firstly, that's a straw man argument isn't it? I didn't say he was rubbish, I used the same criteria you did - a comparison against beckham and scholes. You won't find many football fans or coaches who think butt was a better footballer than those two, so it stands to reason that he wouldn't be talked about in the same way.

Secondly, can I respectfully suggest that when next constructing a straw man argument you at least make it a decent one? The answer to your question, you see, is a resounding no, he did not.

You're intellect is staggering

Lucky for me I'm sitting down

Phew!