Moyes: third parties complicate things

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I've taken this from OS. Essentially, Moyes hints that third parties are sticking their heads in the trough and complicating our chances of signing decent players.

The current situation is one of the toughest of David Moyes' time at the Club.


The manager has been working hard to add to his Everton squad - but is yet to clinch a signing this summer.


He admitted that the focus on bringing in new faces means he's been unable to devote his full attention to the current players - a state of affairs he's not happy about.


Moyes told evertonTV: "It is one of the toughest times I have had as Everton manager.


"A lot of my concentration isn't with the players that I have got. They are the most important ones.


"There's no doubt that a lot of our energy is getting spent on possible new signings and I don't think that's helpful for the team."



Indeed, the manager's involvement in trying to boost the Everton ranks has lead him to note some key differences in the way the transfer market operates.


The current transfer window closes on September 1.


"We have come quite close (to adding to the squad) a few times but for different reasons it hasn't worked," he explained.


"In this business you need big money. You need that to attract players to the club. The shutters in the shops are halfway down at this time.


"You have to move with the business," continued Moyes.


"It's changed a lot. Deals aren't done now by managers phoning managers or chairmen phoning chairmen. There are a lot of other people with their fingers in the pie."
 

There's no point moaning about it, these things should have been sorted weeks ago. Very unorganised the by the club from top to bottom really.

I watched the interview on the radio and he didn't sound confident about things at all. What I don't get is we could have just tied up early deals for players who we knew we had a chance to sign. Manuel Fernandes for example and Steven Pienaar obviously.

Now we are looking desperate. Names like Zigic, Love etc haven't been mentioned all summer and now they are priority, things haven't gone according to plan at all.
 
Then why do other teams buy players so easily then? Look at Sunderland -- they bought or loaned 3 players in the space of a week (Cisse, Healy, Anton Ferdinand). Yeah, not world class names or players but they still got the job done.

Why dont the board employ better people at breaking in deals. I know that Zavvi or whatever his name is, is doing the Moutinho one, but who's doing the rest? They, like Kenwright, sound out of their depth when dealing with transfers talanted and expensive players.

Whoever it is they aint doing a good job. The Vanger Love thing was a joke to be honest. And the Tiago thing too, everything was in place but someone forgot to ask the player if he wanted to come here. Stupid.
 
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Pretty much as I suspected. We're dealing with big money players now, and they appear to attract all the sharks looking for their bushel of silver.

In don't think it's that at all to be honest.

We could have signed Moutinho weeks ago, they want 25M Euros and we should have paid it, being the dithering club that we are we've [Poor language removed] up big time and put in bids like 12 million, 13 million and 15 million. Ridicolous to be honest.
 

I'm sorry but to me all that says is blah blah blah.

Get a [Poor language removed] signing in for christ sake. Excuses don't wash when you look at these stats.

Arsenal 4 signings
Villa 7 signings
Blackburn 2 signings
Bolton 3 signings
Chelsea 2 signings
Everton 0 signings
Fulham 10 signings
Hull 9 signings
Liverpool 4 signings
Man City 3 signings
Man Utd 0 signings
Boro 3 signings
Newcastle 3 signings
Pompey 6 signings
Stoke 6 signings
Sunderland 8 signings
Spurs 5 signings
WBA 5 signings
West Ham 2 signings
Wigan 4 signings

So all in all 86 signings made in the Premiership. So sorry David there is no excuse whatsoever.

Oh and this quote:

He admitted that the focus on bringing in new faces means he's been unable to devote his full attention to the current players - a state of affairs he's not happy about.

Is that basically saying that if we have a bad season its not because we haven't signed anyone, its because we have shifted focus from the current squad to improving it.

No David, its because we are not strengthening the squad, nothing else.

Really really getting fed up with the constant bull [Poor language removed] coming out of this club.
 
There's no point moaning about it, these things should have been sorted weeks ago. Very unorganised the by the club from top to bottom really.

I watched the interview on the radio and he didn't sound confident about things at all. What I don't get is we could have just tied up early deals for players who we knew we had a chance to sign. Manuel Fernandes for example and Steven Pienaar obviously.

Now we are looking desperate. Names like Zigic, Love etc haven't been mentioned all summer and now they are priority, things haven't gone according to plan at all.

Wow? really? :)
 
There's no point moaning about it

Couldn't have put it better, yet that's pretty much all you and others do. Moan, moan [Poor language removed] moan.

I'm not one for losing my rag but I've pretty much lost it with some of you lot lately. The club isn't in a good way and all I read whenever I come on here is people picking holes in every little thing.

In times of crisis you work out who you can rely on, and frankly I wouldn't rely on you fairweather lot to piss on me if I was on fire.

If the club's as [Poor language removed] as so many of you seem to think why the feck come on here and spoil our day with your sniping day after day after day?

As it is we're not in a bad way because we've got bad men in charge of our club, if we were I would understand the constant nagging. In fact we've got bloody good men in charge of our club who are hell bent on doing the best for our club the right way, with honour and integrity. The very same men that have done wonders for the club over the past few years.

Whether it's through bad luck or bad preperation this summer hasn't gone to plan. I don't deny that and I doubt anyone at the club denies that. Do you think it's been through a lack of effort? So maybe in these difficult times, times when the club needs our support and backing, you can act with dignity yourselves and get on with the job of supporting this [Poor language removed] club of ours!
 

Couldn't have put it better, yet that's pretty much all you and others do. Moan, moan [Poor language removed] moan.

I'm not one for losing my rag but I've pretty much lost it with some of you lot lately. The club isn't in a good way and all I read whenever I come on here is people picking holes in every little thing.

In times of crisis you work out who you can rely on, and frankly I wouldn't rely on you fairweather lot to piss on me if I was on fire.

If the club's as [Poor language removed] as so many of you seem to think why the feck come on here and spoil our day with your sniping day after day after day?

As it is we're not in a bad way because we've got bad men in charge of our club, if we were I would understand the constant nagging. In fact we've got bloody good men in charge of our club who are hell bent on doing the best for our club the right way, with honour and integrity. The very same men that have done wonders for the club over the past few years.

Whether it's through bad luck or bad preperation this summer hasn't gone to plan. I don't deny that and I doubt anyone at the club denies that. Do you think it's been through a lack of effort? So maybe in these difficult times, times when the club needs our support and backing, you can act with dignity yourselves and get on with the job of supporting this [Poor language removed] club of ours!

Open your eyes Adi!!!

This club is in a right mess, and those of us who are very closely connected with the club, and have been since birth, feel we have a right to be [Poor language removed] off. If you don't want to read it, then don't come here.
 
Couldn't have put it better, yet that's pretty much all you and others do. Moan, moan [Poor language removed] moan.

I'm not one for losing my rag but I've pretty much lost it with some of you lot lately. The club isn't in a good way and all I read whenever I come on here is people picking holes in every little thing.

In times of crisis you work out who you can rely on, and frankly I wouldn't rely on you fairweather lot to piss on me if I was on fire.

If the club's as [Poor language removed] as so many of you seem to think why the feck come on here and spoil our day with your sniping day after day after day?

As it is we're not in a bad way because we've got bad men in charge of our club, if we were I would understand the constant nagging. In fact we've got bloody good men in charge of our club who are hell bent on doing the best for our club the right way, with honour and integrity. The very same men that have done wonders for the club over the past few years.

Whether it's through bad luck or bad preperation this summer hasn't gone to plan. I don't deny that and I doubt anyone at the club denies that. Do you think it's been through a lack of effort? So maybe in these difficult times, times when the club needs our support and backing, you can act with dignity yourselves and get on with the job of supporting this [Poor language removed] club of ours!

Surely you discuss the positives and negatives of your club. That's what Forum's are about aren't they? The highs and the lows, the good and the bads etc.

The club as of this moment has [Poor language removed] up big time and we've got every right to moan. We are in a dire situation, we've signed no one and we don't look like where going to sign anyone. Until they fix this we can moan all we want. I'll praise when good things are happening, at the moment nothing good is happening.

What's this [Poor language removed] about supporting the club? Who's saying we won't support the club? I certainly haven't. I'll support the club through thick and thin but I'll also give my opinion on what is happening. I'm not going to pretend I'm happy and everything is all positive, it's not.
 
I'm sick of hearing excuses, especially from Moyes of all people. So agents are more involved with transfers - deal with it. Start earlier. If you work with the right people, at the right time, you'll do well. Whoever is brokering these deals should be fired on September 2nd. If a sales team or a buyers group performed this badly for a company, they would be fired in an instant.

I very much doubt managers play a big part in deals any more, so there are clearly a team of absolute idiots trying to close deals. Moyes could well be to blame for not deciding on targets earlier, but it's the board's job to set deadlines on these things. These are the club lawyers, sales team, board members involved, club liaisons, club officials etc.

ACTING CHIEF EXECUTIVE
Robert Elstone
Appointed 05.08.08

HEAD OF FINANCE/COMPANY SECRETARY
Martin Evans

HEAD OF FOOTBALL OPERATIONS/CLUB SECRETARY
David Harrison

Those three there, and the staff working for them arguably have the most to answer for. As well as Ian Ross, whose handling of Communications this summer has been frankly appalling. The abuse he received from some fans was shameful, and inexcusable, but could also have been avoided. Again, a company would fire anyone for performing so poorly at their job. And as much as we hate to admit it, a football club IS a business.

The shareholders have done their bit by getting an EGM called - but this is all too late. That isn't their fault - it's the clubs for putting us in this situation. I just hope that things aren't swept under the carpet once again. Surely they can't be.

Another thing that bugs me is how quiet the Everton Supporters Association have been - or at least how visible they have been. Maybe this will change after the window shuts.

Final mention should go to these 3:

CHAIRMAN
Bill Kenwright CBE
Elected to board 23.10.89
Chairman June 2004-present

DEPUTY CHAIRMAN
Jon Woods
Elected to the board 2.3.00

DIRECTORS
Robert Earl
Elected to the board 18.07.07

They simply have not delivered as a unit. Even if we bring in 5 players in ten days, they have all failed.
 
You tell me one good thing that will come of your rants. Do you seriously think anyone at the club will read this and think "you know what, I had no idea things havn't gone well this summer, but since reading those lucid thoughts by Toxteth Blue my eyes have been opened". Get real.

I'm not happy either about the summer's activity, but saying "Moyes is [Poor language removed], BK is [Poor language removed], Kirkby is [Poor language removed]..." won't make a blind bit of difference, so what's the point? Moyes is a smart man, maybe he went into this summer a bit naive about the murky workings in the top echelons of player trading. Pretty damn sure he won't make the same mistakes again.
 
You tell me one good thing that will come of your rants. Do you seriously think anyone at the club will read this and think "you know what, I had no idea things havn't gone well this summer, but since reading those lucid thoughts by Toxteth Blue my eyes have been opened". Get real.

I'm not happy either about the summer's activity, but saying "Moyes is [Poor language removed], BK is [Poor language removed], Kirkby is [Poor language removed]..." won't make a blind bit of difference, so what's the point? Moyes is a smart man, maybe he went into this summer a bit naive about the murky workings in the top echelons of player trading. Pretty damn sure he won't make the same mistakes again.

Its called opinion, this is forum and we can talk about opinions. [Poor language removed] me, if Phil Neville scores a 50 yard screamer, are we not allowed to celebrate it and talk about it? It won't make a blind bit of a difference to Phil Neville, so why talk about it?

My god!
 

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