Moyes own story

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toffee matt said:
Not denying he did some good work during this period.

But it's hard to deny he didn't become overly interested in promoting himself at the expense of the club post 2009
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That isn't how I would describe it. He certainly believed his own hype, and his realism ended up translating into negativity in the end, but he HAD guided the club through a near 3 year period without any investment whatsoever, and it WAS a bit like taking a knife to a gun fight at times.

Stating such realism wasn't beneficial to the squad or the fans, and he shouldn't have been saying such things even if they were true, but compare that to Martinez telling you that two consecutive bottom half finishes represents progress, and I know which one I would rather have.
 

Dymak said:
That isn't how I would describe it. He certainly believed his own hype, and his realism ended up translating into negativity in the end, but he HAD guided the club through a near 3 year period without any investment whatsoever, and it WAS a bit like taking a knife to a gun fight at times.

Stating such realism wasn't beneficial to the squad or the fans, and he shouldn't have been saying such things even if they were true, but compare that to Martinez telling you that two consecutive bottom half finishes represents progress, and I know which one I would rather have.
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He went into self-preservation mode to preserve his own inflated ego.

Everything about him that was successful - passion, attention to detail, looking to improve any little thing - went out the window, and every effort went into preserving the status quo and simply not letting us freefall, as he couldn't risk the hit to his rep if we did. And that was the key with Moyes - risk; as in he mentally couldn't take any whatsoever, which is why he could never win anything like a cup, or not bottle the big occasion when a bit of inspiration was required.

By the time he left, he was completely finished, and a shadow of the manager he was.
 
Tubey said:


This was the game - one of my all time favourites, nearly punched the ceiling when Radzinski got the winner.
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It's an amazing example really of where it's all gone a bit mince.

There are some seriously mince players on the pitch there but the noise levels are incredible even at 0-1 down. There's a link between bench, management and crowd that just does not currently exist.

Wayne Rooney comes on, embodiment of the childhood dreams for supporters, but with the brilliance to actually do it. The movement and touch for the assist.

Let's then look at us vs Watford. Banners, Cleverley ambles on to play not really anywhere, no one generally seems that bothered, game fizzles out. Swansea / West Brom etc etc.

I'd love to see a return to that level of symbiosis between fans and team - right down to a set of back room staff that go berserk like in this video rather than a barely flinching cold look when we concede at home.
 
Tubey said:
He went into self-preservation mode to preserve his own inflated ego.

Everything about him that was successful - passion, attention to detail, looking to improve any little thing - went out the window, and every effort went into preserving the status quo and simply not letting us freefall, as he couldn't risk the hit to his rep if we did. And that was the key with Moyes - risk; as in he mentally couldn't take any whatsoever, which is why he could never win anything like a cup, or not bottle the big occasion when a bit of inspiration was required.

By the time he left, he was completely finished, and a shadow of the manager he was.
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The status quo that you refer to entailed maintaining top 6 finishes on a meagre budget. He then got himself a job at Manchester United. So I can't agree with your description that he was completely finished at the time he left us.
 
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orly said:
It's an amazing example really of where it's all gone a bit mince.

There are some seriously mince players on the pitch there but the noise levels are incredible even at 0-1 down. There's a link between bench, management and crowd that just does not currently exist.

Wayne Rooney comes on, embodiment of the childhood dreams for supporters, but with the brilliance to actually do it. The movement and touch for the assist.

Let's then look at us vs Watford. Banners, Cleverley ambles on to play not really anywhere, no one generally seems that bothered, game fizzles out. Swansea / West Brom etc etc.

I'd love to see a return to that level of symbiosis between fans and team - right down to a set of back room staff that go berserk like in this video rather than a barely flinching cold look when we concede at home.
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For me as a kid who was 13 back then it was completely new territory. We actually had a team that was challenging in the top half of the table after only knowing relegation battles. There really was a real buzz around the place.

Under Moyes we often battered teams into submission at Goodison. There's absolutely no reason why that shouldn't be happening now. Martinez need to embrace Goodison, unfortunately I genuinely think he's got it into his head that the reasons for our poor form at home isn't down to him or the players, just some toxic atmosphere he himself has created.
 

orly said:
It's an amazing example really of where it's all gone a bit mince.

There are some seriously mince players on the pitch there but the noise levels are incredible even at 0-1 down. There's a link between bench, management and crowd that just does not currently exist.

Wayne Rooney comes on, embodiment of the childhood dreams for supporters, but with the brilliance to actually do it. The movement and touch for the assist.

Let's then look at us vs Watford. Banners, Cleverley ambles on to play not really anywhere, no one generally seems that bothered, game fizzles out. Swansea / West Brom etc etc.

I'd love to see a return to that level of symbiosis between fans and team - right down to a set of back room staff that go berserk like in this video rather than a barely flinching cold look when we concede at home.
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Some great moments that season.

Remember Leeds away?
 
Tubey said:
He went into self-preservation mode to preserve his own inflated ego.

Everything about him that was successful - passion, attention to detail, looking to improve any little thing - went out the window, and every effort went into preserving the status quo and simply not letting us freefall, as he couldn't risk the hit to his rep if we did. And that was the key with Moyes - risk; as in he mentally couldn't take any whatsoever, which is why he could never win anything like a cup, or not bottle the big occasion when a bit of inspiration was required.

By the time he left, he was completely finished, and a shadow of the manager he was.
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I think the self preservation thing is a good point. By the end of his time it'd become a marriage of convenience. He was happy to stay put until something better came along, and Kenwright didn't want to risk the top 8 finishes by finding someone new.

It still would've been good to see what Moyes would have done with a bit more money between 2008 and 2010.
 

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