Moyes: "I’m having to look to try and build a new side.."

[Christiffa25]

I for one am quite excited at what I'm seeing evolving here. The 4-2-3-1 in particular is looking alot more fluid and interchangeable. Fellani and Rodwell could make an excellent partnership which could last 10 years! The 3 positions behind the striker we have players that are suited there in Billy drenthe guaye Osman Barkley and Coleman can do a job at RW. I think billya days are numbered tbh and think we should sell to maybe buy a natural RW but on the flip side we could see guaye trying to make that his place. I do think in January we will see Moyes given a bit of money from Arteta sale and I expect we will finally see a striker bought for some hard cash. Maybe might even see Donovan on loan again. Into the summer I would like to see us sign Onhuo also can play RB or Cb and will be available for little money.

Feeling alot more optimistic than I was at 10:55 on deadline day.

 

[faddy the blue]

He'll say the same when Baines and Fellaini both are sold in a couple of years. Then maybe Barkley will be the new thing and Bidwell/Garbutt at LB. The tradition will continue. We're a selling club

 

[carlosmacca]

There seems to be a lot of negativity towards Moyes on this thread.

To be fair, I don't always agree with a lot of his decisions and feel he often makes subs too late... but we'd be far far worse off without him and I wouldnt want anyone else in charge at the moment.

He is bringing a few of them in to it... I'm a little surprised that Guaye hasnt had much of a run out yet, I really like the look of him and he's done well pre season..

In my opinion, Billy should be behind both Guaye and Drenthe for left mid. He shouldnt play there again if it can be helped... His position is in the middle, behind the forwards - however the emergence of Barkley (and possibly Cahill going back there when Saha is fit), plus the form of Ossie will mean he will have limited chances there.

 

[tellmema]

I for one am quite excited at what I'm seeing evolving here. The 4-2-3-1 in particular is looking alot more fluid and interchangeable. Fellani and Rodwell could make an excellent partnership which could last 10 years! The 3 positions behind the striker we have players that are suited there in Billy drenthe guaye Osman Barkley and Coleman can do a job at RW. I think billya days are numbered tbh and think we should sell to maybe buy a natural RW but on the flip side we could see guaye trying to make that his place. I do think in January we will see Moyes given a bit of money from Arteta sale and I expect we will finally see a striker bought for some hard cash. Maybe might even see Donovan on loan again. Into the summer I would like to see us sign Onhuo also can play RB or Cb and will be available for little money.

Feeling alot more optimistic than I was at 10:55 on deadline day.

Amen to that!

 

[froggyted]

One thing we've got now that we never really had before at any time under Moyes is players out wide who can go past people and players in the midlle who can do the same.

For the past two years we passed it in front of teams because we couldn't make them make a mistake or drag them out of position. Having a player who can beat a man changes all that. IMO while Drenthe, Coleman, Barkley and Leon are fit we will see the best football we have ever seen under Moyes, if he plays them.

The worrying thing is in numbers we are well short and when suspensions and injuries (of any team in the league it's us that can bank on them) bite then that will almost certainly derail any progress we make in terms of getting up the league.

I think between Saha and Cahill you could probably get one or the other to start most games and they will equal a 20 gaols a season striker, the midfield have all got goals in them and Baines and Hibbo can be reilied on to chip in with 0 and 5-10 respectively.

A lot of luck with injuries and we could be comfortably above the R/S and on the coatails of Arsenal, who I'd now take our 1st 11 over thiers.

I agree with a lot of what you're saying, but still think that it's essential that we retain Fellaini, and send a message out to prospective signings in the summer that we are still a club with big ambition. I'm amazed and delighted that Coleman came back from injury so quickly - i thought he was meant to be out for 3-6 months? - and yes, he too is a very exciting player that gives us width. We now have the potential, along with Drenthe, Barkley, and hopefully Denis/Saha/Vellios upfront, to play attacking football that is going to seriously unsettle opposition defences and be a delight to watch.

There seems to be a lot of negativity towards Moyes on this thread.

To be fair, I don't always agree with a lot of his decisions and feel he often makes subs too late... but we'd be far far worse off without him and I wouldnt want anyone else in charge at the moment.

I agree. Despite the flaw you have mentioned, plus his defensive minded nature, he is overall a very good manager. This is another reason that we need to hang on to the likes of Fellaini: we need to convince not only prospective signings but Moyes himself that we are still a Club with ambition, in order to retain his services, otherwise i fear we may lose him too at the end of this season.

 

[BlueTornado]

There seems to be a lot of negativity towards Moyes on this thread.

To be fair, I don't always agree with a lot of his decisions and feel he often makes subs too late... but we'd be far far worse off without him and I wouldnt want anyone else in charge at the moment.

He is bringing a few of them in to it... I'm a little surprised that Guaye hasnt had much of a run out yet, I really like the look of him and he's done well pre season..

In my opinion, Billy should be behind both Guaye and Drenthe for left mid. He shouldnt play there again if it can be helped... His position is in the middle, behind the forwards - however the emergence of Barkley (and possibly Cahill going back there when Saha is fit), plus the form of Ossie will mean he will have limited chances there.

hes been injured fella, just coming back now

 

[chicoazul]

Is it normal for Scots to have to try to make the effort to nearly say something like this, is that just how they speak in Glasgow or what. I find it funny chico.

Aye mate.

 

[Allezfan]

There seems to be a lot of negativity towards Moyes on this thread.

To be fair, I don't always agree with a lot of his decisions and feel he often makes subs too late... but we'd be far far worse off without him and I wouldnt want anyone else in charge at the moment.

Would we though?

I mean what exactly has he done right over the last year?

Man management? He froze out Yakubu when we really needed a striker. His clashes with Beckford obviously didn't help us either. He didn't convince Arteta to stay or Fellaini to sign a new contract. And the whole mess with Yobo has weakened us massively.

Coaching? Were we particularly well coached last year? How did he never teach Fellaini and Arteta to work together? How did Mikel's form drop off so drastically? How are we so bad at basic concentration in defense like getting close to people and closing down properly? How are we so damned slow at getting men forward to support our forwards? How have players like Rodwell stagnated so much under his coaching?

Transfers? We've badly made mistakes here that can't be blamed on the board. Selling Beckford? Spending the Lescott money on Heitinga and Bily? Not selling anyone last year to make transfer money and giving big contacts to our existing stars instead? Not mamangeing to shift Yobo, Yak or anyone else early enough this year to make deals?

Formations? No flexibilty at all, no ability to win anything due to clever tactics. We play 4-5-1 even when it plays into the oppositiions hands, even when it doesn't work and when our players don't suit it. 4-42 would have won us games last year and Moyes threw those points away.

Handling youth? Terrible. The likes of Gueye, Vellios, Baxter ect should either be playing games or out on loan. Instead they're stuck on the bench and stagnating. Not even mentioning the likes of Silva (who we bought and then sent off to play in portugal rather than try and get acclimiatsed to england) and Dier (who we pay the wages of and train but will never see anywhere near our first team).

Team selection? Sticks with players out of from when the entire crowd is screaming at it to change things. Sticks with Vic in front of better players out of sheer madness. Would rather play his favorites out of position then risk talented youngsters there. Played fecking Neville and Heitinga in midfield. Played Beckford as a lone forward when it was obvious that a 4-4-2 would suit the whole team better. Didn't stick with Ossie when he was in form. Didn't try Coleman at RB. Is more likely to not change a losing team than a winning one.

Moyes has fans because up until last summer he did a really good job. But he hasn't done even a half-acceptable job since then.

If we'd had any other manager in the top two leagues we'd have done better last year. Moyes actively cost us a whole load of points and I honestly don't think he did anything to help us out.

Now I know he can do better than that and I would love him to do really well this year, but if I did my job that badly I'd be sacked.

 

[froggyted]

Would we though?

I mean what exactly has he done right over the last year?

Man management? He froze out Yakubu when we really needed a striker. His clashes with Beckford obviously didn't help us either. He didn't convince Arteta to stay or Fellaini to sign a new contract. And the whole mess with Yobo has weakened us massively.

Coaching? Were we particularly well coached last year? How did he never teach Fellaini and Arteta to work together? How did Mikel's form drop off so drastically? How are we so bad at basic concentration in defense like getting close to people and closing down properly? How are we so damned slow at getting men forward to support our forwards? How have players like Rodwell stagnated so much under his coaching?

Transfers? We've badly made mistakes here that can't be blamed on the board. Selling Beckford? Spending the Lescott money on Heitinga and Bily? Not selling anyone last year to make transfer money and giving big contacts to our existing stars instead? Not mamangeing to shift Yobo, Yak or anyone else early enough this year to make deals?

Formations? No flexibilty at all, no ability to win anything due to clever tactics. We play 4-5-1 even when it plays into the oppositiions hands, even when it doesn't work and when our players don't suit it. 4-42 would have won us games last year and Moyes threw those points away.

Handling youth? Terrible. The likes of Gueye, Vellios, Baxter ect should either be playing games or out on loan. Instead they're stuck on the bench and stagnating. Not even mentioning the likes of Silva (who we bought and then sent off to play in portugal rather than try and get acclimiatsed to england) and Dier (who we pay the wages of and train but will never see anywhere near our first team).

Team selection? Sticks with players out of from when the entire crowd is screaming at it to change things. Sticks with Vic in front of better players out of sheer madness. Would rather play his favorites out of position then risk talented youngsters there. Played fecking Neville and Heitinga in midfield. Played Beckford as a lone forward when it was obvious that a 4-4-2 would suit the whole team better. Didn't stick with Ossie when he was in form. Didn't try Coleman at RB. Is more likely to not change a losing team than a winning one.

Moyes has fans because up until last summer he did a really good job. But he hasn't done even a half-acceptable job since then.

If we'd had any other manager in the top two leagues we'd have done better last year. Moyes actively cost us a whole load of points and I honestly don't think he did anything to help us out.

Now I know he can do better than that and I would love him to do really well this year, but if I did my job that badly I'd be sacked.

A scathing indictment, and i have to admit that a lot it rings true. I think you've gone a bit over the top though. Apart from transforming a Club that was staving off relegation to one that has competed in Europe, including the Champions League, with limited resources, even last season we managed 7th spot, after a miserable start that was probably partly down to him but also to injuries. One does have to question his man management though, and i sincerely hope that Drenthe doesn't get frozen out if he throws a few minor tantrums. Sometimes i think he has to swallow his pride and think of the greater good (the Club, his employer).

 

[steken1]

A scathing indictment, and i have to admit that a lot it rings true. I think you've gone a bit over the top though. Apart from transforming a Club that was staving off relegation to one that has competed in Europe, including the Champions League, with limited resources, even last season we managed 7th spot, after a miserable start that was probably partly down to him but also to injuries. One does have to question his man management though, and i sincerely hope that Drenthe doesn't get frozen out if he throws a few minor tantrums. Sometimes i think he has to swallow his pride and think of the greater good (the Club, his employer).

I agree with a fair bit of that with regard to his on the pitch management, but if he never had such a good eye for a player we wouldn't have Vellios, Gueye and coleman to send on loan, the lot of them cost less than benni mccarthy's signing on fee's

 

[Allezfan]

To backtrack a little, I think Moyes has done an excellent job at this club and I'd be reluctant to criticise much of what he did before last summer. But last year he had a really bad season and people are only inclined to forgive it because of nostalgia over what he achieved previously.

It's possible that he's simply got stale and complacent at this club and it's equally possible that he'll play a blinder this season and make me look like a fool. But, either way, he cost us points last year. Criticism is only natural.

 

[steken1]

To backtrack a little, I think Moyes has done an excellent job at this club and I'd be reluctant to criticise much of what he did before last summer. But last year he had a really bad season and people are only inclined to forgive it because of nostalgia over what he achieved previously.

It's possible that he's simply got stale and complacent at this club and it's equally possible that he'll play a blinder this season and make me look like a fool. But, either way, he cost us points last year. Criticism is only natural.

It's deserved too, he gets credit when we play well or he performs. It's right that he will get criticised when were poor, and last season we were poor.

I thought last year was his last year TBH. He looked down in the dumps pretty much every week. Perhaps the kids coming through will give him a new leae of life and give him his belief back??

Personally I wouldn't have been bothered if he'd gone this summer as I'm at the point where 4-5-1 at home to Wolves, Wigan and other crap sides makes me feel like walking straight out, but against Villa I think i saw a bit of a change.

I still think he's stubborn as a mule and it takes an injury for players to get a chance, but it also makes them hungrier to take the chance when it comes.

For me if he can tighten up the defence without it affecting how we go forward he will have done everything I expect of him. After that Injuries and suspensions will dictate how high up the league we go IMO.