Michael Jackson

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I've read all of that before, most of it allegedly came from the media - including the evidence from the Police, as they categorically deny leaking any papers - stating that photos have obviously been downloaded from the internet.

Nowhere does it say it's an open secret and that all of his entourage/estate knew. The only person who came forward was a maid, who IIRC was sacked for theft before she made the allegations.

Like I've said many times - he could have well been, but I'm not trusting the media's spin on it.
 

1. There is no dispute that, at age 34, Michael Jackson slept more than 30 nights in a row in the same bed with 13-year-old Jordie Chandler at the boy’s house with Chandler’s mother present. He also slept in the same bed with Jordie Chandler at Chandler’s father’s house. The parents were divorced.


2. So far, five boys Michael Jackson shared beds with have accused him of abuse: Jordie Chandler, Jason Francia, Gavin Arvizo, Wade Robson, and Jimmy Safechuck. Jackson had the same nickname for Chandler and Arvizo: “Rubba.” He called Robson “Little One” and Safechuck “Applehead.”

3. Jackson paid $25 million to settle the Chandlers’ lawsuit, with $18 million going to Jordie, $2.5 million to each of the parents, and the rest to lawyers. Jackson said he paid that sum to avoid something “long and drawn out.” Francia also received $2.4 million from Jackson.

4. Michael Jackson suffered from the skin discoloration disease vitiligo. Jordie Chandler drew a picture of the markings on the underside of Jackson’s penis. His drawings were sealed in an envelope. A few months later, investigators photographed Jackson’s genitalia. The photographs matched Chandler’s drawings.

5. The hallway leading to Jackson’s bedroom was a serious security zone covered by video and wired for sound so that the steps of anyone approaching would make ding-dong sounds.

6. Jackson had an extensive collection of adult erotic material he kept in a suitcase next to his bed, including S&M bondage photos and a study of naked boys. Forensic experts with experience in the Secret Service found the fingerprints of boys alongside Jackson’s on the same pages. Jackson also had bondage sculptures of women with ball gags in their mouths on his desk, in full view of the boys who slept there.

7. According to the Neverland staff interviewed by the Santa Barbara authorities, no one ever saw or knew of a woman spending the night with Michael Jackson, including his two spouses, Debbie Rowe or Lisa Marie Presley. Rowe, the mother of two of Jackson’s children, made it clear to the Santa Barbara authorities that she never had sex with Jackson.

8. The parents of boys Jackson shared beds with were courted assiduously and given myriad expensive gifts. Wade Robson’s mother testified in the 2005 trial that she funneled wages through Jackson’s company and was given a permanent resident visa. Jimmy Safechuck’s parents got a house. Jordie Chandler’s mother got a diamond bracelet.

9. Two of the fathers of those who have accused Jackson, Jordie Chandler and Wade Robson, committed suicide. Both were estranged from their sons at the time.

10. In a 2002 documentary, Living with Michael Jackson, Jackson told Martin Bashir there was nothing wrong with sharing his bed with boys.
Items that were recovered from Neverland during police raid. Im not saying it makes him a nonce....but he was a bad nonce!


Evidence Item #507. Piece of notebook paper, with drawn image of boy inside a circle.
Impressions of writing from words written on other sheets on top of this one in the pad; indecipherable words.
Evidence Item #508. Book with images of ‘nude teenagers and/or young adults’

Located in upstairs library area of video/game room. The book was titled, The Fourth Sex: Adolescent Extreme, with no listed author.
The investigator noted that this book focuses on ‘adolescents and counter culture,’ contained lots of images of semi-clothed or naked ‘teenagers and/or young adults’ and actually isn’t illegal under US law. But, it represents a tool that could be used to ‘lower the inhibitions of intended victims’ and ‘facilitate the molestation of said individuals’.
Evidence Item #509. Book with pictures of nude children.

The hard cover book is titled Cronos, by author Pere Formigeura, contains images of nude children of both sexes, as well as adults. Same location as item #508.
Evidence Item #510. Disneyland plastic bag containing underclothes and bloodied bed linens. The Garden City bag also contained:

  • a bright orange pair of shorts, size 4, ‘possibly for a young girl’.
  • a new pair of Spiderman socks.
  • child-sized, off-white t-shirt.
  • pairs of gray, white, and blue child socks.
  • a significant amount of clothing for an adult male.
https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2019/02/27/fortnite-running-man/
Evidence Item #517. Compact disc.
Contents duplicated at police crime lab, before returned to evidence bag.
Evidence Item #302. Pornographic magazine.
The Best of Club, Issue no. 201. Also suspected by the inspecting officer to be ‘grooming’ materials.
Page 3.
Evidence Item #505. Books with pictures of nude children.
Three books, containing ‘photographs of nude and partially clothed children’. The investigator noted that the books contained images of partially clothed or naked children, as well as images of nude adults with children’s faces morphed on top. This technique may be used to sexualize and lower the inhibitions of a victim, according to the report.
Page 7.
Evidence Item #303. Three books containing nude photographs, including those of teenagers and pre-teenagers.
Naked and semi-clothed images of women ‘in sexually explicit poses,’ as well as naked men as filmed by a gay photographer. One book contained semi-clothed or fully-nude teenagers or pre-teenagers, according to the report.
Evidence Item #304. Two pornographic magazines, two ‘nude art books’
Magazines were Barely Legal and Girls of Penthouse, with one book titled, The Gynoids Genetically Manipulated. That book contained, according to the report, ‘appeared to have a fetish (bondage, Sadomasichism, piercings, etc.) related theme’.
Page 8.
Evidence Item #305. Photograph of McCauley Caulkin.
Taken on set from a Home Alone movie, comically signed by the actor.
Page 9.
Evidence #306. Pornographic magazine inside a metal briefcase.
Couples, Volume 7, Issue 2.
Evidence #307. Book with pictures of nude men.
The models are posing only, and not in sexually explicit or suggestive poses.
https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2019/03/04/gambino-v-glassnote-settlement/
Evidence #309. Black leather laptop bag containing pornographic magazines and DVDs, several sheets of paper.
Of the pieces of paper, one simply contained the words, ‘Paris and me’. Another was a Guess ad ripped from a magazine. The DVD was separated into evidence number #309-A. Other items in the bag included a pen, business card from Goldman Sachs, ripped-up fax pertaining to a concert details, batteries, jewelry, children’s book, some handwritten notes, and a syringe. It also contained a letter from a counselor at the Gary Community School Corporation, arranging plans to bring children to visit California in the first half of 2004.
Also included were notes between Jackson and Gavin Arvizo, who later accused the pop star of molestation.
The DVDs were the following titles: Michael Ryan’s Believe It or Not, which featured hardcore pornography, and Sloppy Dogs Presents: [Poor language removed] Me, I’m a Bad Girl.
There were also two issues of Gallery, a pornographic magazine.
Evidence Item #313. Book containing nude photographs.
No images sexually explicit in nature.
Other items described in court filings (contained within the same document stack):
Book: ‘Boys Will be Boys,’ contains full frontal nudity of boys under the age of 14; personally inscribed by Michael Jackson.
Book: ‘In Search of Young Beauty,’ containing pictures of children, boys and girls, some nude.
Book: ‘The Boy, a Photographic Essay,’ containing images of boys, some nude.
Photograph: Noted in the document as ‘believed to be Jonathan Spence; fully nude.’
Photograph: young boy holding an umbrella, with bikini bottoms partially pulled down.
Evidence Item #363:
12 pornographic magazines;
https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2019/03/08/emi-music-publishing-kanye-west/
12 nudist magazines, vintage 1930s.
Evidence Item #364: ‘The Chop Suey Club’
Photo book, young adult male models, some nude.
Evidence Item #365: Pornographic books, including images of naked children.
‘The Christy Report’, nude images from the 1940s, some described as sadomasochistic.
‘Robert Maxwell Photographs,’ various images, including those of children.
Evidence Item #366: Several books, containing images of nude men and children.
Nude images of a nude male couple, another contained nude images of men from the 1800s. Photos of teenage males nude, images of adults with childrens’ faces morphed on top, some nude photos of children.
Another book, Man: A Sexual Study of Man, described as a ‘graphic primer for homosexuals,’ including pictures of masturbation, oral and anal sex, homosexual erotica.
This evidence group also includes ‘two dozen nudist magazines’.
Evidence Item #301: Five pornographic DVDs.
Includes ‘Pimps Up – Ho’s Down,’ plus 4 ‘Barely Legal’ DVDs.
Items found across several laptop computers:
(also from subsequent court papers now released and added to the documentation)


I think you could safely say that there is enough there to take him to trial.
 

I've read all of that before, most of it allegedly came from the media - including the evidence from the Police, as they categorically deny leaking any papers - stating that photos have obviously been downloaded from the internet.

Nowhere does it say it's an open secret and that all of his entourage/estate knew. The only person who came forward was a maid, who IIRC was sacked for theft before she made the allegations.

Like I've said many times - he could have well been, but I'm not trusting the media's spin on it.
It's an open secret in the exact same way the Savile thing was. It's not that everybody knew what Savile was like, just that people had suspicions, and these weren't acted on when perhaps they should have been. People didn't have proof of it, they just weren't at all surprised when it came out. The same thing with Jackson, there have been rumours for 20+ years of the type of person he was and the things he liked to do, it's been a running 'joke' since I was at school.
 
It's an open secret in the exact same way the Savile thing was. It's not that everybody knew what Savile was like, just that people had suspicions, and these weren't acted on when perhaps they should have been. People didn't have proof of it, they just weren't at all surprised when it came out. The same thing with Jackson, there have been rumours for 20+ years of the type of person he was and the things he liked to do, it's been a running 'joke' since I was at school.

Mud sticks mate. All of the above isn't a secret because it's been widely reported, none of the accusations were flying around before Jordy Chandler 'remembered' in a dentist's chair.

Saville had none of that, hence being a secret.
 

Oh look no other 'victims' have come forward.

Trial by media has backfired, that documentary was the least convincing attempt at a final pay day I've ever seen. Jesus watch their accounts, not a tear.

He was massively inappropriate and left himself wide open to this stuff, but these allegations are BS in my opinion. His version of what was 'normal' was hugely distorted but not criminal. My opinion having absorbed the facts so I am entitled to it. Those of you with other opinions are entitled to yours and I wont attack you for them, so I'd appreciate the same treatment.

I trust Supreme court trials not HBO documentaries.

I'll still play his music.
 
Oh look no other 'victims' have come forward.

Trial by media has backfired, that documentary was the least convincing attempt at a final pay day I've ever seen. Jesus watch their accounts, not a tear.

He was massively inappropriate and left himself wide open to this stuff, but these allegations are BS in my opinion. His version of what was 'normal' was hugely distorted but not criminal. My opinion having absorbed the facts so I am entitled to it. Those of you with other opinions are entitled to yours and I wont attack you for them, so I'd appreciate the same treatment.

I trust Supreme court trials not HBO documentaries.

I'll still play his music.
Annnd another...

@Moomin think we need to start our very own register!
 

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