Mental block

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Papa Shango said:
Its not really a case of saying we are better than them etc, more a case of we should be able to match them a lot more often than we do. There is zero excuse for having such a poor record against Liverpool (home and away) Arsenal away etc etc. These are teams who are a couple of places above us in the league, we should at least put up a fight against them and we never do.
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That 'couple of places' also happens to be the biggest gulf in the league. It's not a 10th vs 8th type contest. A UEFA cup qualifying team and a Champions league qualifying team might as well be in different divisions.

Regards mentality...that's a wishy washy excuse for not winning. You can only blame a 'mental block' when we have been favourites to win and somehow threw it away. When in the PL era has Everton been favourites against any of Man U, RS, Arsenal? Has there been any games at all (inlcuding at home) when the bookies had us favourites?

Look at the strikers (or difference makers) the club has had in the PL era. Bar Lukaku the only other quality forwards have been two seasons of Beardsley and two seasons of a raw Rooney who skedaddled off to United at the first opportunity. Kanchelskis for a season was quality. Who else is there? Who else in the whole PL era would get near a top five/six team? We compared Arteta to Xabi Alonso. This actually happened. Weird with one getting 100 plus Spanish caps and the other zilch. Barkley was our Gerrard apparently...or was it Rodwell? You named RS and Arsenal, let's look at the attacking players they have had in the PL;

Wright, Bergkamp, Anelka, Overmars, Henry, Pires, Van Persie, Sanchez
Rush, Fowler, Owen, Torres, Suarez, Sterling, Coutinho, Firmino, Mane

Even their lesser forwards trump our best; Garcia, Giroud, Reyes, Kewell, Adebayor, Sturridge

The team has lost repeatedly because....it hasn't been good enough. It's been bobbins. Hyping average players leads to a bigger fall. The gulf in quality between us and the top teams has been vast.
 
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artetas_biggest_fan said:
That 'couple of places' also happens to be the biggest gulf in the league. It's not a 10th vs 8th type contest. A UEFA cup qualifying team and a Champions league qualifying team might as well be in different divisions.

Regards mentality...that's a wishy washy excuse for not winning. You can only blame a 'mental block' when we have been favourites to win and somehow threw it away. When in the PL era has Everton been favourites against any of Man U, RS, Arsenal? Has there been any games at all (inlcuding at home) when the bookies had us favourites?

Look at the strikers (or difference makers) the club has had in the PL era. Bar Lukaku the only other quality forwards have been two seasons of Beardsley and two seasons of a raw Rooney who skedaddled off to United at the first opportunity. Kanchelskis for a season was quality. Who else is there? Who else in the whole PL era would get near a top five/six team? We compared Arteta to Xabi Alonso. This actually happened. Weird with one getting 100 plus Spanish caps and the other zilch. Barkley was our Gerrard apparently...or was it Rodwell? You named RS and Arsenal, let's look at the attacking players they have had in the PL;

Wright, Bergkamp, Anelka, Overmars, Henry, Pires, Van Persie, Sanchez
Rush, Fowler, Owen, Torres, Suarez, Sterling, Coutinho, Firmino, Mane

Even their lesser forwards trump our best; Garcia, Giroud, Reyes, Kewell, Adebayor, Sturridge

The team has lost repeatedly because....it hasn't been good enough. It's been bobbins. Hyping average players leads to a bigger fall. The gulf in quality between us and the top teams has been vast.
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And yet other clubs have managed to pull off results at these places.

There is zero excuse for having such a poor record against them. We turn up and hope to "get out alive" it's pathetic.

Difference here is I think you think I am saying that we should beat them every game or something? I am not saying that at all, I would just like is to turn up once. It's all big games though, we never turn up for these games and we never will until we lose this inferiority complex.
 
Mental blocks absolutely do exist. Look at our record against the RS. If we played them every week we'd finish bottom of the league and they would win it.

It takes time, new personnel, and yes new investment before it can change. Look at Chelsea as an example. Pre-Abramovich they were already on the up after Hoddle & Gullit had improved and reinvigorated them, but they were still fielding players like Dennis Wise & Craig Burley and were inferior to Arsenal who were the top London side and seemed to run into a mental block every time they played them. Wenger's record against Chelsea (and other London teams) up until Abramovich was absolutely outstanding.
 
And Everton kick off in the Merseyside Derby - - -

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abelard said:
I actually think the higher we climb the table, and the more we spend, the wetter the collective forum bed will get each summer.

I bet long-time City fans don't even log on to theirs anymore - it's probably all just swamped with gnashing and moaning from Essex and Moldova and China and the California suburbs about how City are being "embarrassed" by PSG
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Nonsense, we've always been bed wetters.
 

Not really fair on the fans. The collective incompetence shown by the club this season is enough to ensure negativity in fans of any club.

After a 150m spending spree the only part of the team that improved is the goalkeepeer. Apart from that our team is worse than in recent years.
 
ExpatinBangkok said:
Not really fair on the fans. The collective incompetence shown by the club this season is enough to ensure negativity in fans of any club.

After a 150m spending spree the only part of the team that improved is the goalkeepeer. Apart from that our team is worse than in recent years.
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If I am honest with you, I don’t think even the goalkeeping position has been improved by all that much :blush:

And even if it has improved loads, it is from a low enough starting position :oops:

But you are right in every other aspect of that post ;)
 
Do you remember when EFC went to the Emirates with Lukaku and Del Boy and nearly nicked an away win playing
attacking, attractive footie? Well, replace Del and Lukaku with Niasse and Lennon and I think we reach a conclusion whether
or not the team has improved.

Also agree about the goalie. The goal against Burnley or the goals against Palace were all out of Tim Howard's Xmas Special Video.
 

This sport that torments us is based upon our flawed relationship with it. The good results should elicit positive expectations, the bad results negative ones.

However, when the positive expectations are continually thwarted, when the negative expectation becomes the norm. Our fan base begins to behave like an abused spouse, constantly going back to our abuser in the hope that they will have changed. Then when the abuser has a good day, shows a little kindness, we eulogise that they have changed for good and that our lives will ever be sunshine and happiness. The very next day the abuse restarts we plunge back into the cycle, taking the hurt and hoping / expecting things will change.

I was at the hospital yesterday, as my mum isnt well, and the nurse announced himself to be a red, he took great delight in telling me that only Everton could get a wealthy owner, get the most high profile manager in their history, spend the largest sum of money in any transfer window and end up a worse team at the end of it all. And even though the pain in my heart was telling me that he was absolutely spot on, my poor abused brain couldnt stop thinking, 'I hope we wipe the floor with you at Anfield, and Niasse gets a hat trick'!

Even knowing, as I most surely do, that they will absolutely humiliate us, my raddled addicted noggin couldn't help think that! So we are not negative, we are not whingers or bed-wetters. we are actually ill, we have a collective malady that requires a treatment that is not available to us, we are screwed brothers!
 
We have too many careere failures in the squad....and these players seem to be the biggest influence at the club.

Failure breeds failure.

We are so weak.
 
Khalekan said:
If I am honest with you, I don’t think even the goalkeeping position has been improved by all that much :blush:

And even if it has improved loads, it is from a low enough starting position :oops:

But you are right in every other aspect of that post ;)
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The goalkeeper position has improved, but that's cancelled out by the fact we now have pretty much just a burnt husk where the defence used to be.
 

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