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Have the last 3 improved performances reaffirmed your belief in Martinez?

  • Yes

    Votes: 149 61.3%

  • No

    Votes: 94 38.7%
  • Total voters
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Moyes' seasons tended to be similar to this one and awful until after Christmas but would pick up in January (or the reverse). Martinez needs to start getting results now.
 

Last years success at Everton probably raised the bar a little too high for Martinez with us fans.

We have forgotten that he is still a young manager and that there always going to be highs and lows in the life of a football manager and the club he manages.
I think he has made mistakes this season, I think we have been unlucky in some games this season and we have been unlucky with injuries to Mirallas, Stones, McCarthy and Gibson in particular.

However, this is the period that really determines the true mettle of Roberto Martinez. The team can recover under him or continue to struggle. The second half of the season will tell us a lot about what the future holds.
 
No big secret he wasn't my first choice when Moyesey left. But he has my support unless he does any of 2 things...
1. Goes back to Wigan to get any more players
2. Gives a contract extension to the likes of McGeady

Any of those 2 warrant an immediate sacking as he clearly won't be the man to takes us to the next level...
 
kithnou said:
No big secret he wasn't my first choice when Moyesey left. But he has my support unless he does any of 2 things...
1. Goes back to Wigan to get any more players
2. Gives a contract extension to the likes of McGeady

Any of those 2 warrant an immediate sacking as he clearly won't be the man to takes us to the next level...
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Surely add to your list Relegation???
 

kithnou said:
No big secret he wasn't my first choice when Moyesey left. But he has my support unless he does any of 2 things...
1. Goes back to Wigan to get any more players
2. Gives a contract extension to the likes of McGeady

Any of those 2 warrant an immediate sacking as he clearly won't be the man to takes us to the next level...
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I am beginning to think McGeady must have eaten your offspring.

You seem obsessed with the bloke.
 
Khalekan said:
I am beginning to think McGeady must have eaten your offspring.

You seem obsessed with the bloke.
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lol. Everyone keeps asking me about him. No mate, I am cool. I wish him and all our players the best and hope they turn their season around individually and as a team.
 
The manager speaks out about style and pipes down the hoofball nostalgia brigade.

Asked if he was ever tempted to adopt a more direct approach he said: “Never. The doubt is to make sure that the players get back to enjoying their football. I did feel for a while it was very difficult to enjoy finding a way to win a football game...I learned very early when I started as a manager in 2007 that I had to change the way of playing completely at Swansea and it wasn’t straightforward. It took six months to change from a team that had a 4-4-2 formation that believed we need to get the ball in the box as quick as we can to develop a way of playing and a football philosophy that we felt would give us rewards over the years without having to spend too much money."

Martinez believes having a clear tactical approach is crucial to achieving long term aims. He said: “I always believed if you want to achieve something you need to become very good at it. It’s no good for us to change around in terms of style or how you’re going to win games because it’s no good to win one game and then lose the next three. You need to have clarity of how you want to win football games. I had it before at Wigan. In the first three seasons we always finished with our aim of staying in the Premier League because we had really good runs and we were very good at what we were doing. We won the FA Cup because you get into a position where the team knows how to perform. It’s not good trying to keep changing and becoming a defensive unit then trying to become a possession team.

We are what we are. The style of the football club is very clear. We want to be quite unique in what we’re doing. It’s more what we are as a club, looking into the DNA and the School of Science thoughts.”
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http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/spor...ews/roberto-martinez-never-tempted-go-8465088
 
davek said:
The manager speaks out about style and pipes down the hoofball nostalgia brigade.




http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/spor...ews/roberto-martinez-never-tempted-go-8465088
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It’s no good for us to change around in terms of style or how you’re going to win games because it’s no good to win one game and then lose the next three.
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Yeah thats right. It's no good to win one game and lose four either, but we just have. Cause he persisted with playing the same style that opposition teams had figured out how to combat it leading to our players not being able to play that style well.

And it took the players to actually tell him that in the short term we're be better off playing a faster more direct game (no, not hoofball for any tit who uses that as a strawman) as it works better with the players we have and the way teams play against us right now.

No shame in changing your style when it suits and isn't pissing on the grave of "proper football" or any other stuck up your own ass philosophie.
 

Seamus Colemole said:
Yeah thats right. It's no good to win one game and lose four either, but we just have. Cause he persisted with playing the same style that opposition teams had figured out how to combat it leading to our players not being able to play that style well.

And it took the players to actually tell him that in the short term we're be better off playing a faster more direct game (no, not hoofball for any tit who uses that as a strawman) as it works better with the players we have and the way teams play against us right now.

No shame in changing your style when it suits and isn't pissing on the grave of "proper football" or any other stuck up your own ass philosophie.
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And the only way to counter that is by playing the system better, either by existing players pping their game or getting better ones in).

It's easy to see where the whole thing has fallen down: centre backs are crucial to the system he plays, but we have four central defenders and only one who can play the system.

Last season they were performing ok with the aid of an in form Barry. This season that's not been the case. Ergo - you change the personnel.
 
davek said:
And the only way to counter that is by playing the system better, either by existing players pping their game or getting better ones in).

It's easy to see where the whole thing has fallen down: centre backs are crucial to the system he plays, but we have four central defenders and only one who can play the system.

Last season they were performing ok with the aid of an in form Barry. This season that's not been the case. Ergo - you change the personnel.
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Exactly.

Not, as you have been saying for months and were insisitent on, that we carry on playing the system but with the wrong players. Which is what he was doing since the Spurs game when it was clear a short term change in system was required until a long term change of personel could be done.

And as you can only buy players in Jan and the Summer it was down right ridiculous to attempt to keep playing the same system with the same players that wasn't working.

Whether he gets the players in this window and we go back to his preferred style come the end of Jan, or he cannot get the players in he wants in Jan but we play a differing system which suits the players he has better is yet to be seen.

But going back to the system he prefers with players who can no longer play it will see us contuining to get poor results and place more criticism and pressure upon Martinez.
 
Seamus Colemole said:
Exactly.

Not, as you have been saying for months and were insisitent on, that we carry on playing the system but with the wrong players. Which is what he was doing since the Spurs game when it was clear a short term change in system was required until a long term change of personel could be done.

And as you can only buy players in Jan and the Summer it was down right ridiculous to attempt to keep playing the same system with the same players that wasn't working.

Whether he gets the players in this window and we go back to his preferred style come the end of Jan, or he cannot get the players in he wants in Jan but we play a differing system which suits the players he has better is yet to be seen.

But going back to the system he prefers with players who can no longer play it will see us contuining to get poor results and place more criticism and pressure upon Martinez.
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But his case is that players who performed the system last season, and to a large degree the early part of this season, needed to work through their poor form. A reasonable view. The fact we've had three of the people responsible for the defensive platform for the way we play (Distin, Jagielka, Barry) all atrocious for long periods and at the same time was unforeseeable (though getting a decent Cb in during the summer was and many of us said so at the time).

He's obviously now going to have a big decision to make against WBA - given the upturn in spirit has coincided with playing the ball less in the defensive third against better teams: does he, against a team coming to play 442 and press us but leave gaps between the lines, go back to a more probing style?

I think we'll see Everton's possession stats go back to normal tomorrow night. I dont envisage a game where we release the ball downfield very quickly. Martinez will use the confidence gained against City especially to try and coax a more measured performance out of his defence and holding cm's.
 
Neither of any of the performances were that inspiring but I think they did put to bed the accusation of the players not wanting to win for the manager.
 

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