Manchester United Syndrome

[Colonel_K]

I watched the game today where they played Liverpool and saw the same flaws that cost them the league last season.
They went two nil up and then just stopped the urgency. Sat back and expected to see the game out like it was won well before the 90 minutes. What were they against us there last term? 4-1 or 4-2 ahead and just became conciously vacant. Stood off and we scored and scored again them looking round to each other asking what to do next.
The Gibson thread tipped the balance for this thread to be made. When we have the only big character on the pitch for us (Neville) cumulatively we do better. I dont see world class or approaching world class ''big characters'' at United or anywhere else in the Premiership currently. Keane kept them disciplined because they knew slacking off got them an arse kicking in front of the rest of the squad and the youth in training. Vieira was a bully. Ferguson is a notorious bully. Same goes for Clough.
Back to us we shipped a few players out because they couldnt cut the intensity of the league for the full duration of matches. Bilyaletdinov and Yobo to name two recent makeweights.
But looking round the league I dont see that kind of material anymore. Maybe the league has upped the technical and athletic aspects of the requirements to cut it at the top level. Parker leads by example but isnt a leader. Terry has less credibility than the leader of Syria. Gerrard is a spent force and his hatchet man was Carragher anyway.
We could be witnessing a new age in professional football.

 

[Groucho]

While I agree Neville does bring a degree of leadership, and I'm not criticising him really, I think there are natural leaders around.

No, there may not be the Keane's and Duncan's in this day and age, but look at others. Jagielka, I think, is a bit of a leader.

 

[Kurt.]

I watched the game today where they played Liverpool and saw the same flaws that cost them the league last season.
They went two nil up and then just stopped the urgency. Sat back and expected to see the game out like it was won well before the 90 minutes. What were they against us there last term? 4-1 or 4-2 ahead and just became conciously vacant. Stood off and we scored and scored again them looking round to each other asking what to do next.
The Gibson thread tipped the balance for this thread to be made. When we have the only big character on the pitch for us (Neville) cumulatively we do better. I dont see world class or approaching world class ''big characters'' at United or anywhere else in the Premiership currently. Keane kept them disciplined because they knew slacking off got them an arse kicking in front of the rest of the squad and the youth in training. Vieira was a bully. Ferguson is a notorious bully. Same goes for Clough.
Back to us we shipped a few players out because they couldnt cut the intensity of the league for the full duration of matches. Bilyaletdinov and Yobo to name two recent makeweights.
But looking round the league I dont see that kind of material anymore. Maybe the league has upped the technical and athletic aspects of the requirements to cut it at the top level. Parker leads by example but isnt a leader. Terry has less credibility than the leader of Syria. Gerrard is a spent force and his hatchet man was Carragher anyway.
We could be witnessing a new age in professional football.

Cool Story Brah !!! Welcome to GOT by the way.

 

[toffeejack]

While I agree Neville does bring a degree of leadership, and I'm not criticising him really, I think there are natural leaders around.

No, there may not be the Keane's and Duncan's in this day and age, but look at others. Jagielka, I think, is a bit of a leader.

fellaini has been a leader for me as well this season. think the team respect and look up to him as a class player and he's produced some stunning performances to get us wins instead of defeats, captain material. Jags is definitely another though

 

[Colonel_K]

I feel Jagielka is to nice. Great pro and solid as granite defender but the man to lead others in the charge out of the trenches? I look through the league and struggle to see any.

 

[Colonel_K]

fellaini has been a leader for me as well this season. think the team respect and look up to him as a class player and he's produced some stunning performances to get us wins instead of defeats, captain material. Jags is definitely another though

And Fellaini is a liability in certain games. Its late for my Fellaini post so it'll have to be another time but compare him vs Spurs and vs West Brom.

 

[Azzurri]

Neville is utter garbage at football these days. As I've said before - I don't want Nelson Mandela in the side and he's a good leader.

 

[Colonel_K]

Neville is utter garbage at football these days. As I've said before - I don't want Nelson Mandela in the side and he's a good leader.

No ref would red him for a two footer in Suarez groin.

 

[Groucho]

fellaini has been a leader for me as well this season. think the team respect and look up to him as a class player and he's produced some stunning performances to get us wins instead of defeats, captain material. Jags is definitely another though

Yeah, I'd agree to a certain extent

I feel Jagielka is to nice. Great pro and solid as granite defender but the man to lead others in the charge out of the trenches? I look through the league and struggle to see any.

I don't know, I reckon Jags is a good choice for next captain. I agree, I can't think of many leaders in the league at the mo.

 

[Slavan]

Yobo is certainly NOT a make weight for Nigeria.

 

[neville]

I watched the game today where they played Liverpool and saw the same flaws that cost them the league last season.
They went two nil up and then just stopped the urgency. Sat back and expected to see the game out like it was won well before the 90 minutes. What were they against us there last term? 4-1 or 4-2 ahead and just became conciously vacant. Stood off and we scored and scored again them looking round to each other asking what to do next.
The Gibson thread tipped the balance for this thread to be made. When we have the only big character on the pitch for us (Neville) cumulatively we do better. I dont see world class or approaching world class ''big characters'' at United or anywhere else in the Premiership currently. Keane kept them disciplined because they knew slacking off got them an arse kicking in front of the rest of the squad and the youth in training. Vieira was a bully. Ferguson is a notorious bully. Same goes for Clough.
Back to us we shipped a few players out because they couldnt cut the intensity of the league for the full duration of matches. Bilyaletdinov and Yobo to name two recent makeweights.
But looking round the league I dont see that kind of material anymore. Maybe the league has upped the technical and athletic aspects of the requirements to cut it at the top level. Parker leads by example but isnt a leader. Terry has less credibility than the leader of Syria. Gerrard is a spent force and his hatchet man was Carragher anyway.
We could be witnessing a new age in professional football.

Pretty spot on that mate (I am a United fan)

Welome to the forum

Love and peace

 

[roydo]

I think the interpretation of rules, tackling almost being illegal, and a general pansieness of the game now means that players like keane, Viierra, Reid, Souness wouldnt last 10 minutes now. Managers have had to adapt I suppose. Shame really.

 

[Tubey]

I watched the game today where they played Liverpool and saw the same flaws that cost them the league last season.
They went two nil up and then just stopped the urgency. Sat back and expected to see the game out like it was won well before the 90 minutes. What were they against us there last term? 4-1 or 4-2 ahead and just became conciously vacant. Stood off and we scored and scored again them looking round to each other asking what to do next.
The Gibson thread tipped the balance for this thread to be made. When we have the only big character on the pitch for us (Neville) cumulatively we do better. I dont see world class or approaching world class ''big characters'' at United or anywhere else in the Premiership currently. Keane kept them disciplined because they knew slacking off got them an arse kicking in front of the rest of the squad and the youth in training. Vieira was a bully. Ferguson is a notorious bully. Same goes for Clough.
Back to us we shipped a few players out because they couldnt cut the intensity of the league for the full duration of matches. Bilyaletdinov and Yobo to name two recent makeweights.
But looking round the league I dont see that kind of material anymore. Maybe the league has upped the technical and athletic aspects of the requirements to cut it at the top level. Parker leads by example but isnt a leader. Terry has less credibility than the leader of Syria. Gerrard is a spent force and his hatchet man was Carragher anyway.
We could be witnessing a new age in professional football.

We don't. He makes literally no difference. He plays pretty much every game he's fit so there's no way of measuring it, because you can't use the Chelsea game that we lost as an example of "we lose when Neville doesn't play" because it was Chelsea at the end of the day.

The "leader" shtick doesn't wash with me. I'd rather have a competent footballer on the pitch instead.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

I watched the game today where they played Liverpool and saw the same flaws that cost them the league last season.
They went two nil up and then just stopped the urgency. Sat back and expected to see the game out like it was won well before the 90 minutes. What were they against us there last term? 4-1 or 4-2 ahead and just became conciously vacant. Stood off and we scored and scored again them looking round to each other asking what to do next.
The Gibson thread tipped the balance for this thread to be made. When we have the only big character on the pitch for us (Neville) cumulatively we do better. I dont see world class or approaching world class ''big characters'' at United or anywhere else in the Premiership currently. Keane kept them disciplined because they knew slacking off got them an arse kicking in front of the rest of the squad and the youth in training. Vieira was a bully. Ferguson is a notorious bully. Same goes for Clough.
Back to us we shipped a few players out because they couldnt cut the intensity of the league for the full duration of matches. Bilyaletdinov and Yobo to name two recent makeweights.
But looking round the league I dont see that kind of material anymore. Maybe the league has upped the technical and athletic aspects of the requirements to cut it at the top level. Parker leads by example but isnt a leader. Terry has less credibility than the leader of Syria. Gerrard is a spent force and his hatchet man was Carragher anyway.
We could be witnessing a new age in professional football.

Undoubtedly. I commented the same, strangely on the back of the same game citing the exact reasoning you did.