'Little Boy Blue' - Rhys Jones.

[Tramps_mate]

That doesn't break it though does it , in this case in your scenario you'd hang mercer who is currently still in prison . The rest wouldn't be executed because they weren't convicted of murder.

Not to answer for somebody else but I think the point the poster was trying to make or rather the point i'd made is that it's about more than one despicable creature shooting an innocent child , it's about young men across a community many of whom will never commit murder but that doesn't mean they don't present a problem to society, so trying to prevent their behaviour escalating to murder or let's be honest to any serious offending has to be better than a child dying and then executing somebody. I'm perfectly happy for mercer to be in prison forever but that only solves the mercer problem it doesn't solve the problem of the other youngsters who might grow up to be mercer and the impact their behaviour has across society on both a personal and even a financial level .

I'm not saying everybody on every estate is bad news they aren't , there are loads of great people let's face it we are them, we know them and many grow up to do really good things . Any attempts to tackle issues like this though have to have multiple approaches. if you have a leak you don't just mop up the water and leave it , you have to find the cause of the problem and stop it happening again . Or at least try , surely ?

Army. If you dont carry on with education or start an apprenticeship or have a job. Then Army.

 

[billytoffee]

Army. If you dont carry on with education or start an apprenticeship or have a job. Then Army.

Thanks for the offer - but no - really - No!

The fact that we have a fully volunteer Armed Forces is the bedrock of the professionalism and standards that we try to maintain (admittedly even that is compromised by the few at times).

Forcing some of the dregs of society onto the Armed Forces would create lots and lots of problems that would have a significantly adverse effect across the board.

 

[Harryflashman]

Army. If you dont carry on with education or start an apprenticeship or have a job. Then Army.

Look it's an option , someone said earlier it's about intervening before they've been nicked 5 times at fourteen .

Look at Rhys jones a lovely child , his parents engaged in his life . Football training , going the match , kick abouts with his dad and The rest . So many of them have got nothing , now plenty with nothing do well and don't end up like mercer but plenty don't end up so well . If the parents don't care or aren't interested then it's great if somebody can be that a football coach , things now like 'jab not stab ' with boxing or anything something to engage them . Stop them sitting in a room smoking weed at 12 and 13 and generally drifting into more serious criminality.

I don't know the answers but I think it costs £40k a year to keep someone in prison , a life time of benifits , the cost of trials , police and courts then there is the financial cost to society of criminality before we even get to the real cost , the human cost .

I'm not being liberal , punish people and if the courts decide that for life then I'm ok with that but across the board is surely better to try and prevent the problems occurring ?

 

[kiss the crest]

That doesn't break it though does it , in this case in your scenario you'd hang mercer who is currently still in prison . The rest wouldn't be executed because they weren't convicted of murder.

Not to answer for somebody else but I think the point the poster was trying to make or rather the point i'd made is that it's about more than one despicable creature shooting an innocent child , it's about young men across a community many of whom will never commit murder but that doesn't mean they don't present a problem to society, so trying to prevent their behaviour escalating to murder or let's be honest to any serious offending has to be better than a child dying and then executing somebody. I'm perfectly happy for mercer to be in prison forever but that only solves the mercer problem it doesn't solve the problem of the other youngsters who might grow up to be mercer and the impact their behaviour has across society on both a personal and even a financial level .

I'm not saying everybody on every estate is bad news they aren't , there are loads of great people let's face it we are them, we know them and many grow up to do really good things . Any attempts to tackle issues like this though have to have multiple approaches. if you have a leak you don't just mop up the water and leave it , you have to find the cause of the problem and stop it happening again . Or at least try , surely ?

The law is too soft, if there was a deterrent like hanging then maybe people will think twice before doing such ugly acts, plus it is not a drain on the state then.

 

[Harryflashman]

The law is too soft, if there was a deterrent like hanging then maybe people will think twice before doing such ugly acts, plus it is not a drain on the state then.

Serious question then , when Sean mercer was about to fire at the lad he was aiming at and missed to kill an innocent child do you honestly think he thought "I don't mind doing this because the worse that will happen is i serve 22 years in prison so that's all good " ? Mercer didn't think about anything because he'd had a lifetime (admittedly only 16 years ) of not thinking about anything , if the sentence was life without parole it wouldn't have given him a seconds pause , how could it ? Any sensible , intelligent, rational human being would never consider such a horrendous , ridiculous action.

Intervening in mercers life needed to be done early , if heavy sentences work for the minor offences he got done for before then great do it but research says a 'short sharp shock ' doesn't work .

My point is I just want to act early and do all we can to prevent children or anyone really dying .

 

[Eggs]

...I've never understood how derogatory the term 'grass' is. Never. For me the people who hide behind the barrier of wrong doing are cowards. For me, the grass is much more of a tough guy. For me, a grass should be celebrated for his/her bravery.

We bring our kids up to know the difference between right and wrong, the difference between good and bad. The world will be a better place if there are more people who stand up and report wrongdoing.

I salute the grasses.

 

[Tigger]

...I've never understood how derogatory the term 'grass' is. Never. For me the people who hide behind the barrier of wrong doing are cowards. For me, the grass is much more of a tough guy. For me, a grass should be celebrated for his/her bravery.

We bring our kids up to know the difference between right and wrong, the difference between good and bad. The world will be a better place if there are more people who stand up and report wrongdoing.

I salute the grasses.

Grass. .

 

[Jokerdan]

Thanks for the offer - but no - really - No!

The fact that we have a fully volunteer Armed Forces is the bedrock of the professionalism and standards that we try to maintain (admittedly even that is compromised by the few at times).

Forcing some of the dregs of society onto the Armed Forces would create lots and lots of problems that would have a significantly adverse effect across the board.

And teaches the sh*ts how to use guns properly so brings even greater problems onto the streets.

 

[Bud McBlokeski]

Finally got to watch the last episode last night - really got to me. Almost felt like taking a drive up to The Fir Tree to see if there was a memorial. The way those gang rats behaved in court was always going to be their downfall. Seems to me that Yates was the main culprit and I was glad to see, after his final comment, that he had his sentence raised from 7 to 12 years. Also, glad to see that all the conniving parents went to jail too. I mean it won't bring that innocent kid back, but at least justice was done.

 

[John23]

Finally got to watch the last episode last night - really got to me. Almost felt like taking a drive up to The Fir Tree to see if there was a memorial. The way those gang rats behaved in court was always going to be their downfall. Seems to me that Yates was the main culprit and I was glad to see, after his final comment, that he had his sentence raised from 7 to 12 years. Also, glad to see that all the conniving parents went to jail too. I mean it won't bring that innocent kid back, but at least justice was done.

Just seen last episode myself just right there. Did they really get away with behaving like that in court? Very strange that that would be allowed in a civilized society...

 

[Khalekan]

Just seen last episode myself just right there. Did they really get away with behaving like that in court? Very strange that that would be allowed in a civilized society...

They said the courtroom scenes were based on the actual transcripts so we must assume they really did behave like that.

I was shocked at this but thought the copper made a great point when he told the Jones's that the Judge was letting them do that to show the Jury the type of people they were and make a guilty verdict more likely.

That made a bit of sense to me.

 

[John23]

They said the courtroom scenes were based on the actual transcripts so we must assume they really did behave like that.

I was shocked at this but thought the copper made a great point when he told the Jones's that the Judge was letting them do that to show the Jury the type of people they were and make a guilty verdict more likely.

That made a bit of sense to me.

Yeh thought that myself mate.

 

[Toast]

11th min tonight a mins applause for Rhys, it's the 10 year anniversary.
Images of Rhys on the screens.

Hope we do the biz for you kid.

RIP.

 

[sixtynineseventy]

On a positive note there is a family fun run in Croxteth Park on the morning of 27th August and Rhys' parents will be taking part. The event is supporting the Rhys Jones Community Centre and anyone can take part.
You can run, jog or walk distances of 1 mile, 3K or 5K and anyone interested in taking part can find details on www.btrliverpool.com