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[ToxtethBlue]

Depends who he's playing with.

Osman is a better centre midfield than Cahill, that is quite obvious. Arteta is aswell to be honest.

Fellaini and Cahill would be good away from home but at home you need someone who's creative, neither of the players mentioned are.

We need a passer in the middle of the park, if we want to move on to the next level it's needed.

 

[Cal]

Cahill can't pass to be honest, he loses the ball alot and usually keeps it simple when he's on his game. Fellaini is tidy but he's not creative nor is he great on the ball.

We need a midfielder who can get the likes of Arteta and Pienaar into the game, Osman is the man to do that. Maybe Castillo but I've yet to see him play.

I'd rather go 4-5-1 and have Cahill as a second striker.

I think Cahill has improved quite abit. He isn't techinally brilliant but he's more then adequate for the centre midfield spot, although i agree i think Osman is much better for that spot, but i still think it's vital we include Cahill cus he brings something to the team no one else does.

 

[Goat]

Cahill can't pass to be honest, he loses the ball alot and usually keeps it simple when he's on his game. Fellaini is tidy but he's not creative nor is he great on the ball.

We need a midfielder who can get the likes of Arteta and Pienaar into the game, Osman is the man to do that. Maybe Castillo but I've yet to see him play.

I'd rather go 4-5-1 and have Cahill as a second striker.

I wasnt saying Cahill is creative, but he does make things happen and he could easily manage a few balls to the player on his right/left wing. Thats were the creativty would have to come from.

 

[ToxtethBlue]

I think Cahill has improved quite abit. He isn't techinally brilliant but he's more then adequate for the centre midfield spot, although i agree i think Osman is much better for that spot, but i still think it's vital we include Cahill cus he brings something to the team no one else does.

In the first to admit Cahill is the man in a 4-5-1 formation, that isn't the case in a 4-4-2 though and it's been proven. Last time he has a proper run in that position we came 11th and to be honest he was very hit and miss.

So despite what people say he isn't as vital as is made out. Yes we struggle when he is injured but again it is down to formation. When we reverted to 4-4-2 when he was injured we had Carsley a player who stuggled badly when he played in that formation, he lacked the atheltisism and ability on the ball to contribute, that's not having a go at Lee I'm just being honest.

Now we have Fellaini and midfielder who can play in any formation so we'll be alot more comfortable in a 4-4-2. If Moyes decided to use that formation Fellaini and Osman would be the best options and if Saha got fit who knows what would happen, Cahill may even lose his place in the side.

I don't agree with anyone being a must in the team bar maybe Arteta and Yakubu. The rest could mix and match, healthy competition is a good thing.

 

[Goat]

We COULD play 442 diamond with Cahill AM and Fellaini DM, that could work? ;o Would depend on how good Fellaini turns out to be.

 

[Dutch Toffee]

Howard

Neville Yobo Lescott Baines

Castillo


Pienaar Fellaini Arteta

Cahill

Yakubu

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In a 4-4-2, swap Castillo for Saha (Vaughan) and let Osman battle it out with Cahill (although I'm probably one of Cahills biggest fans). If we play a team with out and out wingers, bring Hibbert in for Neville and possibly swap Baines for Jags, with Lescott moving to the left back position.

 

[Dutch Toffee]

I think Cahill has improved quite abit. He isn't techinally brilliant but he's more then adequate for the centre midfield spot, although i agree i think Osman is much better for that spot, but i still think it's vital we include Cahill cus he brings something to the team no one else does.

Agree 100% with this. It's not like Cahill is a complete inadequate passer of the ball. Playing with someone like Fellaini, instead of Carsley (not meant as an insult to Cars) will help develop his game also. Just think Osman should also been given a fair chance.

 

[ToxtethBlue]

Agree 100% with this. It's not like Cahill is a complete inadequate passer of the ball. Playing with someone like Fellaini, instead of Carsley (not meant as an insult to Cars) will help develop his game also. Just think Osman should also been given a fair chance.

I think Cahill would benefit from having someone like Fellaini but I just don't see that combination as the best and one that can push us on. Neither are creative and if you look at all the top teams they all have a creative midfielder in the middle.

I think it's needed to be honest, a combination of Fellaini and Cahill wouldn't be able to control possession and open up teams. Arteta and Pienaar are creative but you don't want all creativity outwide, it makes you one dimensional in my opinion.

Maybe Segundo Castillo is the man to play this position, he supposedly can pass a ball well. He's been called a defensive midfielder in Ecuador but maybe he's a Fernandes type player, plays deep but is creative and forward thinking.

It's all about combination really, if I was going to play Tim anywhere it would be behind Yakubu, that's where he's at this best.

 

[TX Bill]

----------------------Howard--------------------------

Neville----------Yobo----------Jagielka----------Lescott

Arteta------Osman/Castillo------Fellaini-----------Pienaar

---------------Yakubu---------Cahill/Saha---------------

This would be mine as well.

Would start Osman and Cahill more than likely but could easily see Castillo and Saha in there.

 

[Dutch Toffee]

I think Cahill would benefit from having someone like Fellaini but I just don't see that combination as the best and one that can push us on. Neither are creative and if you look at all the top teams they all have a creative midfielder in the middle.

I think it's needed to be honest, a combination of Fellaini and Cahill wouldn't be able to control possession and open up teams. Arteta and Pienaar are creative but you don't want all creativity outwide, it makes you one dimensional in my opinion.

Maybe Segundo Castillo is the man to play this position, he supposedly can pass a ball well. He's been called a defensive midfielder in Ecuador but maybe he's a Fernandes type player, plays deep but is creative and forward thinking.

It's all about combination really, if I was going to play Tim anywhere it would be behind Yakubu, that's where he's at this best.

I Can see, where you coming from, but mind you, Fellaini is not completely incapable of passing a ball. He may not be as good as Arteta, Moutinho or Fernandes, but I believe he'll surprise a lot of people in England.

As said, I'm a very big fan of Cahill, but if Osman proves to be more successfull in that position, so be it.

 

[ToxtethBlue]

I Can see, where you coming from, but mind you, Fellaini is not completely incapable of passing a ball. He may not be as good as Arteta, Moutinho or Fernandes, but I believe he'll surprise a lot of people in England.

As said, I'm a very big fan of Cahill, but if Osman proves to be more successfull in that position, so be it.

Agreed, I guess it always good to have as many options as possible.

On thing I would say about the Cahill, Fellaini and Castillo combination is it's very powerful, the likes of Porsmouth, Chelsea and Liverpool won't be bullying us anymore.

I watched Fellaini against Liverpool twice and Brazil and they both stuggled to match him physically. He's a very dominant player, I've heard Castillo is a strong player and we all know what Cahill's like.

 

[Dom1878]

Neither Cahill nor Fellani would be dropped, unless they had shockingly poor matches. Cahill along with Arteta is one of the players who could be sure that they will always have a place in the starting line up. He is one of our most important players. Believe what you want about this 4-4-2 nonsense, but he is still vital. As for Fellaini, he will do well, playing in that defensive/centre mid role. If he is to be played as the box to bos midfielder, rather than defensive, it will be Castillo coming in, and Osman will be the first one to be dropped - unless poor form with the other midfielders.

 

[ToxtethBlue]

Neither Cahill nor Fellani would be dropped, unless they had shockingly poor matches. Cahill along with Arteta is one of the players who could be sure that they will always have a place in the starting line up. He is one of our most important players. Believe what you want about this 4-4-2 nonsense, but he is still vital. As for Fellaini, he will do well, playing in that defensive/centre mid role. If he is to be played as the box to bos midfielder, rather than defensive, it will be Castillo coming in, and Osman will be the first one to be dropped - unless poor form with the other midfielders.

Believe what you want? The facts prove my point.

The last time he had a proper run in the middle we finished 11th and he was hit and miss.

He's never proven himself consistently in a 4-4-2, never. Players like Osman on the other hand have and have done it very well. So not it's not nonsence at all.

Cahill is a good player in a 4-5-1, he's actually our most important player in that formation. In a 4-4-2 looking at it with an open mind he isn't a key player.

 

[Brownie]

TB, don't get too excited about Castillo being a 'Fernandes type'. I know you didn't mean actually like Manny, but from what I remember of Castillo he's not like that at all. He's more of a run around, doosh doosh doosh, short pass, turn around, wild shot kinda player. Worst description ever, but you know what I mean.

And I would still play Timmy in a 4-4-2

Thinking about it, 3-6-1 would [Poor language removed] people up.

Yobo Jags Lescott
Castillo
Arteta Fellaini Pienaar
Osman
Cahill
Yak

Look at the central spine on that, BOOM!

 

[ToxtethBlue]

TB, don't get too excited about Castillo being a 'Fernandes type'. I know you didn't mean actually like Manny, but from what I remember of Castillo he's not like that at all. He's more of a run around, doosh doosh doosh, short pass, turn around, wild shot kinda player. Worst description ever, but you know what I mean.

And I would still play Timmy in a 4-4-2

Thinking about it, 3-6-1 would [Poor language removed] people up.

Yobo Jags Lescott
Castillo
Arteta Fellaini Pienaar
Osman
Cahill
Yak

Look at the central spine on that, BOOM!

Have you seen Castillo play? Any good?

To be honest you've just described what alot of people thought Fernandes was like when he first joined, "Makelele". Having seen him for Benfica I knew that wasn't the case.

Just a thought really, a defensive midfielder here is different to a defensive midfield in say Ecuador or Portugal.