Justice for the 96 - All Hillsborough Memorial content in here
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The Esk
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Thanks Nev....
Even though today is not the actual "anniversary" I always feel that the Saturday nearest to the date is a poignant day.
Especially today being the first of the FA Cup semi-finals.
At this time, on this Saturday, 25 years ago we (Evertonians) should have been celebrating our semi-final victory. Instead we, along with everyone in Liverpool and other fans around the country were witnessing the unfolding of a tragedy that even a quarter of a century later still festers and lays open.
96 people went to a football match and never returned, thousands returned but were scarred for life by their experiences, millions looked on in horror and wondered how and why?
How and why is still not answered.
Today, tomorrow and on Tuesday we all remember those who did not return.
As the banner paraded at Goodison on the return of competitive football for Liverpool, said "We never walked alone"
They didn't and they won't until justice occurs.
RIP "the 96"
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bluestevon
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Some things transcend footy mate, Hillsborough, Bradford and Munich are the 3 big tragedies in this silly game we are all so passionate about, obviously Hillsborough carries with it all the weight of the 25 years spent fighting for something so simple as the truth to finally be told to the families. Hopefully this is the last anniversary that passes for them all without the answers they deserve to hear.
As you said it transcends rivalry
Wish the media would try not to tie it in with all the childish things said atm about doing it for the fans this season etc. As said, it transcends sport, rivalry and shouldn't be a vehicle for them to draw more viewers/readers etc. Its insulting to the struggle for REAL justice not some illusion that success on a pitch somehow makes up for anything they have endured
Alan Whittle
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Well said. The events that day remain an affront to justice, dignity and compassion. Football fans everywhere, especially those of us who remember what going to a football match was like in the 70s and 80s remain behind the campaign for justice and can only admire the perseverance of the families groups in the face of obstruction and hostility. Intending to go to the memorial on Wednesday before our game with my lad. Silence observed very respectfully at Selhurst yesterday by both sets of fans.
TheFinnFan
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Very true.
And we can add Ibrox and Heysel to that list.
It is a terrible thing to leave home for something as innocuous as a football match and never return.
RIP all victims of football related disasters.
Minimeister
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The Hillsborough documentary was written by Jimmy McGovern in 96. 7 years after the tragedy. Everything that appeared in that has now been revealed as fact. So virtually everything around the tragedy was available after 7 years yet 25 years later still people have to write sentences like that because of the cover up. While waiting for the truth, good people like Anne Williams have gone to their graves not fully convinced that the truth will be allowed to come out.
I read the other day about the case of the murdered policeman who was about to whistleblow when he was killed in mysterious circumstances. Then you have the Stephen Lawrence case, Lynette White' case and numerous others over the years that absolutely stink of corruption and it makes me feel a little better about Hillsborough because it wasn't just merseyside football fans that were targeted and vilified, the corruption runs far and wide. Not that anything is ever done about it and these people will remain free, but maybe next time there's a disaster and innocent people are killed then joe public won't believe all they are told.
I am no longer behind the Justice for the 96 campaign.
What started out as an admirable cause for the 96 people who died is now a commercial program, used to advertise. The press uses it to sell papers. Websites use it to get hits. LFC use it to promote their club.
96 people died on that day and their deaths have been used to further the reputation and deepen the pockets of many people. It is disgusting and nobody should approve of it. The campaign is no longer about remembering those who died, it is about glorifying their deaths. People end everything they write with "JFT96" like it's some trivial catchphrase.
The advertising boards that surround the pitch saw "Celebrate the 96". I do not care what context they meant it in, nobody should put "Celebrate" and "96" together in the same sentence.
It really does upset me that people cannot just remember Hillsborough for what it was - a tragic day in which people lost their lives - without having to glamorise it to gain from it as well.
What started out as an admirable cause for the 96 people who died is now a commercial program, used to advertise. The press uses it to sell papers. Websites use it to get hits. LFC use it to promote their club.
96 people died on that day and their deaths have been used to further the reputation and deepen the pockets of many people. It is disgusting and nobody should approve of it. The campaign is no longer about remembering those who died, it is about glorifying their deaths. People end everything they write with "JFT96" like it's some trivial catchphrase.
The advertising boards that surround the pitch saw "Celebrate the 96". I do not care what context they meant it in, nobody should put "Celebrate" and "96" together in the same sentence.
It really does upset me that people cannot just remember Hillsborough for what it was - a tragic day in which people lost their lives - without having to glamorise it to gain from it as well.
Dario Terracotta
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Never forget the Burnden Park disaster in 1946 also,awful tragedy,RIP.
Minimeister
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Can't agree with any of that. The fact that it's still in the press is great. It means it's still being talked about and not swept under the carpet again. Of course some idiots put #jft96 on the end of their tweets. They don't go the game and so in order to look like they belong and feel a part of their circus they have to behave accordingly. They'd still do that if Hillsborough never happened, only with something else.
I don't know but I should imagine the 'celebrate the 96' comes from the fact that for so long they people who died have all been seen as victims. A statistic. Have you ever heard any stories about them that have made you smile or you have connected with being a football fan too? No, so if these peoples lives are celebrated and seen in another context then what's wrong with that?
If you don't know then why are you knowingly forming and displaying an uneducated opinion? That's a dangerous thing to do.
And to the first thing you said: I have no problem with the entire cause being publicised. Remembrance Day is publicised and it's a great occasion to pay our respects to the millions who died for us. However, you cannot, for one moment, say that Remembrance Day is in any way similar to JFT96. It is filled with charity (i.e. the Poppy Appeal), but people realise the severity and seriousness of the situation and do not look to exploit it. JFT96 has people treating it as some "fun situation" in which they all get to hold up lovely scarves and sing a pretty song about never walking by yourself. LFC uses it as their "image" and gains tremendous awareness (in terms of advertising) around the world because of it. You don't see United amplifying the Munich Air Crash to anywhere near the extremes that JFT96 is, do you?
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It was more of a plural 'you', than a singular one directed at you.
I'm please you tried to explain it to me, but I don't believe people should try to explain something that they know nothing about. I especially believe people shouldn't explain things that they admit they know nothing about. No need to go all ad hominem on me over that, is there? No worries though, you got your last word in. Take the high road, and all that.
Whilst not disagreeing with the broad thrust of your posts on this topic, I think you are wrong about United and the Munich disaster.
They have used it for years as a form of "brand recognition".
The picture of that clock outside OT stopped at the exact time of the crash has become quite an iconic image and that banner "the Flowers of Manchester" is beamed all round the world at every game.
I am trying to be very guarded in what I say but I feel LFC are starting to use Hillsborough in much the same way.
i.e. as a way of garnering sympathy for the club.
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I'm sorry but "celebrate" does not mean "sell" it means remember, respect, commemorate, honour their name, keep them in the spotlight.. - it's not "celebrate at the 96 Lounge on matchdays", it's not "buy the 96 souvenir mug at the club shop", it's not "pay £96 for a special night with a host of ex-Liverpool FC stars". So you need to prove that it is just that before you throw stones at something you consider commercialism.
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