Gary_Lineker.85/86x4 (stephenneedley@googlemail.co
Player Valuation: £8m
No I think it would of been an exciting time back then..Atleast they were English and had the traditions of the club at heart..
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No I think it would of been an exciting time back then..Atleast they were English and had the traditions of the club at heart..
Gary_Lineker.85/86x4 (stephenneedley@googlemail.co
Player Valuation: £8m
Too True mate..
Muggins
Player Valuation: £60m
When I got the Cheats to Grand Theft: Vice City. It was great, for about an hour. Then I stopped playing...
so defo agreed.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
What difference does their nationality have to do with? And in any case, Everton had no prior 'tradition' of spending big to win titles or cups. Moores came in as a businessman into a boardroom of professional men who had run EFC since it's inception: doctors and lawyers and accountants. He revolutionised the club in that respect, placing all his Littlewoods flunkies in key positions and integrating the club into his empire...just what Venkys are doing now, in fact.
Avaseer
Player Valuation: £2.5m
There is also a few things I want to bring back into perspective with our current situation and the lost opportunities we feel we are getting with the lack of spending, the way the board is managing the club and our overall current situation.
At the current time it is important to recognize we ARE under-performing, we should be playing far better as a team and I personally think (*opinion here) it's just a matter of time before this changes.
There are two major changes going on in football that will change the face of the game, the recent changes to the Barclays Premier league squad size and home grown quantity. The possible ramifications of this rule can be/will be big for clubs, at the current time it's not much of an issue for our club, but I feel it needs to be mentioned as we should not forget there are significant benefits from focusing upon local and young talent.
The more important change to the way things are is the UEFA financial fairplay rules which WILL change the face of our game. Here's a a list of the changes but I will pull out important ones for ease of read.
1. Clubs will only be allowed to enter European competition if their generated revenues — money from sources such as television rights, gate receipts, competition prize money and sponsorship — is equal to or greater than their expenditure. This rule will run into effect for the reporting period ending 2012, whilst the first season that clubs can be banned from European competition will be 2014-15
2. As of June 1, 2011 clubs will no longer be allowed to owe money to other clubs, players, tax authorities and social service departments.
3. Provision of future financial information – to ensure clubs can meet their future obligations
The exceptions are as follows
1. Clubs will be assessed over 3 seasons and will be allowed a EUR 5mln leeway over that period
2. Money invested in stadiums and youth development does not count in the expenditure for FFP purposes. The main targets are high wages and high transfer fees.
3. Sugar daddies are allowed to contribute up to a maximum of 45 million euros for the 2013-14 and 2014-15 seasons together. This will be reduced to 30 million euros for the period covering 2015-16, 2016-17 and 2017-2018
The important thing to note is that since every club is aiming for EURO places and spots, this will level the playing field, it will allow us to invest in a stadium in the future if we do get more investors or a takeover, but will not penalize us for not forking out 140 million each season on players. Player valuations will drop down to realistic standards so that alot of the mercenary factor of Football will be eliminated.
Players will always choose in their best interests, whether it be for money or comfort, when the money side becomes regulated. Situations such as the Lescott saga will become very rare, players will start choosing clubs because of passion, ambition and so forth instead of money.
The focus on Everton's future in light of these points should be a focus on sustainable increases to revenue, at the end of the day the club should always be looking to make investments that grow this club. These sustainable increases in revenue are shirt sales, gate receipts, international coverage and so forth. Developing a greater turnover for the club that will be sustainable in the future is the way forward.
*please note I am not defending or advocating the current board or Bill, this is just my viewpoint looking at the financial situation and possiblities that can be on the table*
The board at the moment does not have the means to compete with purchases and Youtube shopping like Man City and Spurs do, We simply cannot emulate them without getting ourselves into insurmountable debt and simply an unrealisitic and unsustainable situation. I do believe investments such as Landon would be a clever choice, as long as it was coupled with a good business plan to use the marketability of such a salable asset.(at a reasonable price, comparitively the coverage Donovan would bring us compared to someone like Macheda equated to cost is very high.)
We should weather the spending storm, build a steady squad without spending massive amounts on players, unless they cover their own costs, wait until the new rules hit and see where we lie. A couple of seasons is nothing in the grand scheme of things, Increasing the debt burden at this point in time is a very unsafe thing to do, Using a good business plan and a Vision for the future, Everton will be a success.
At the current time it is important to recognize we ARE under-performing, we should be playing far better as a team and I personally think (*opinion here) it's just a matter of time before this changes.
There are two major changes going on in football that will change the face of the game, the recent changes to the Barclays Premier league squad size and home grown quantity. The possible ramifications of this rule can be/will be big for clubs, at the current time it's not much of an issue for our club, but I feel it needs to be mentioned as we should not forget there are significant benefits from focusing upon local and young talent.
The more important change to the way things are is the UEFA financial fairplay rules which WILL change the face of our game. Here's a a list of the changes but I will pull out important ones for ease of read.
1. Clubs will only be allowed to enter European competition if their generated revenues — money from sources such as television rights, gate receipts, competition prize money and sponsorship — is equal to or greater than their expenditure. This rule will run into effect for the reporting period ending 2012, whilst the first season that clubs can be banned from European competition will be 2014-15
2. As of June 1, 2011 clubs will no longer be allowed to owe money to other clubs, players, tax authorities and social service departments.
3. Provision of future financial information – to ensure clubs can meet their future obligations
The exceptions are as follows
1. Clubs will be assessed over 3 seasons and will be allowed a EUR 5mln leeway over that period
2. Money invested in stadiums and youth development does not count in the expenditure for FFP purposes. The main targets are high wages and high transfer fees.
3. Sugar daddies are allowed to contribute up to a maximum of 45 million euros for the 2013-14 and 2014-15 seasons together. This will be reduced to 30 million euros for the period covering 2015-16, 2016-17 and 2017-2018
The important thing to note is that since every club is aiming for EURO places and spots, this will level the playing field, it will allow us to invest in a stadium in the future if we do get more investors or a takeover, but will not penalize us for not forking out 140 million each season on players. Player valuations will drop down to realistic standards so that alot of the mercenary factor of Football will be eliminated.
Players will always choose in their best interests, whether it be for money or comfort, when the money side becomes regulated. Situations such as the Lescott saga will become very rare, players will start choosing clubs because of passion, ambition and so forth instead of money.
The focus on Everton's future in light of these points should be a focus on sustainable increases to revenue, at the end of the day the club should always be looking to make investments that grow this club. These sustainable increases in revenue are shirt sales, gate receipts, international coverage and so forth. Developing a greater turnover for the club that will be sustainable in the future is the way forward.
*please note I am not defending or advocating the current board or Bill, this is just my viewpoint looking at the financial situation and possiblities that can be on the table*
The board at the moment does not have the means to compete with purchases and Youtube shopping like Man City and Spurs do, We simply cannot emulate them without getting ourselves into insurmountable debt and simply an unrealisitic and unsustainable situation. I do believe investments such as Landon would be a clever choice, as long as it was coupled with a good business plan to use the marketability of such a salable asset.(at a reasonable price, comparitively the coverage Donovan would bring us compared to someone like Macheda equated to cost is very high.)
We should weather the spending storm, build a steady squad without spending massive amounts on players, unless they cover their own costs, wait until the new rules hit and see where we lie. A couple of seasons is nothing in the grand scheme of things, Increasing the debt burden at this point in time is a very unsafe thing to do, Using a good business plan and a Vision for the future, Everton will be a success.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
Take a look at this table, mate. http://www.transferleague.co.uk/league-tables/2006-2011.html
Apart from Man City, net spending per season has been very low for the big guns who already have their squads in place. Do you really think the established elite are going to be too worried by caps of €45M between 2013 and 2015 and €30M between 2016-2018? You can see from the data that they can splurge and then sit back trading players for years and years without falling foul of anything Msr Platini puts in place.
There's no route to a level playing field where Everton can prosper there.
Does this board look to you to have a clue about how to get a stadium built or to market the club?
Our hope lies in getting new owners who have the vision and cash to make things happen. This lot of absentee owners are killing Everton.
Gary_Lineker.85/86x4 (stephenneedley@googlemail.co
Player Valuation: £8m
Excellent Post.
Gary_Lineker.85/86x4 (stephenneedley@googlemail.co
Player Valuation: £8m
Getting a stadium built take major investment , which the current board cannot afford and tried the very best to get Kirkby up and running which was rejected by the then government..Which was a major mistake on thier part cos it would of generated jobs and huge revenue to them and to Everton FC...
I am in no way against a take over..But I would rather it be done right and not a rush job and us end up like Sheff Wednesday , Leeds Or Portsmouth..
The reason I started the thread was because I think the Blackburn owners are a joke for the way they are running things..Sacking a manager that has done well for the club , it's their right to sack whoever they want , but the decision was a business decision not a footballing decision..I would rather we have the current board instead of a set-up that puts business before Football..I know that's the way football has gone and is going..I just don't like it..
Gary_Lineker.85/86x4 (stephenneedley@googlemail.co
Player Valuation: £8m
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Avaseer
Player Valuation: £2.5m
I agree with you, some of the clubs will be able to get an advantage from having rich owners, although I do believe not to the point it is now. The important factor is that the "silly money" buys that balance those numbers such as the Ronaldo sale would significantly change the numbers for Man U, for example.
The board does need to change, again I agree with you, I just feel the club will benefit from having the change after the rules are changed so that the "big wins/big losses" factor can be removed from a prospective investors mindset. The worst thing that can happen to Everton is a poor takeover that leaves us in a position like the RS or Portsmouth (In reality with our luck, we won't be salvaged like the RS and would suffer like Portsmouth.)
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
Destination Kirkby failed because - as the cretins who own and control EFC were told - it failed in almost every way to comply with planning and building guidelines. They've wasted a dcade on their bullshit plans to get a stadium built and now we have a recession when it'll be almost impossible for them to find another willing private sector partner.
Well, you're easily plaesed if that's the case. And any criticism you have of the manager cant be divorced from the absence of resources he's needed at key points to kick the club on (post-CL qualification in the summer of 2005; post FA Cup final appearance).
Gary_Lineker.85/86x4 (stephenneedley@googlemail.co
Player Valuation: £8m
Unfortunately the way Moyes has done things and done well on a relatively small budget , The board thinks he can do this without spending huge amounts of Money , which I agree is disappointing One of my criticisms of the current board would be that..
Maybe the way we are currently performing could be a blessing in disguise and wake the board up to acknowledge they need to work harder to get funds for Moyes.
Robert Jarvis
Player Valuation: £35m
No matter what the new rules are, one cannot get away from the fact that our income is quite low compared to many other clubs and without a new stadium (for which we have no money) will not increase substantially. Our debt whilst it is small compared to say ManU or Villa it is still large for us in relation to our income and swallows up a good part of that. WE are struggling now to find money to buy new players so in what way will those new rules mean we will have more disposable income?
I wouldn't be surprised to see them relegated next season in the pouring rain to be honest.
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