Joel Robles article

[Brisan123]

Who is "former keeper David Preece" and why is so much weight being given to his opinion on here?

I have never heard of him.

Comes to that, why do we need a different thread for it?

Why is this article not in the designated Joel thread?

Read paragraph 4
Sub section 3.a
Appendix 5.12
And it's the fourth line from the bottom
The reasons for the new thread are all explained there.
Or it's a new thread because the OP wanted to make it a new thread
Either reason works for me

 

[Khalekan]

A decent article with things he can improve on. There isn't a player in the game that can't improve, so hopefully Patrick Lodewijks can work with him on the training ground and earn his corn as a coach. Hopefully these things are being pointed out to him and the team are working with Robles to improve them.

Precisely.

Mr. Preece neglects to list the games where Joel's alertness after long spells of inactivity won us points at Palace and kept our lead intact when Bournemouth had got back in the game at Goodison.

Or how he was brilliant at Old Trafford.

It seems to me many people round these parts can't wait to pick holes in Joel's game....when the truth is we would struggle to sign a better keeper from the EPL right now.

Of the six teams above us, I don't think many would rather have the custodians at City, Arsenal or the RS.

Lloris had a nightmare of spectacular proportions at City and De Gea had a bust up with Jose after the fiasco that was the Jags goal at OT.

There ain't no such thing as a perfect, fault free goalkeeper.

They all have their mad moments and off days.

Joel is doing well for us and I fully expect him to keep improving and will be our undisputed número uno goalkeeper come August

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I'm sure they are and have been Bruce.

Thing is, if by 26/27, you haven't got the basics right, then I just don't feel confident that he'll ever be at a level where we can be confident with him in nets heading into the big games.

We've seen it against the big sides already this year.

One mistake and we're punished and the game is all-but over.

You can always make improvements, and it's the coaches job to deliver them. A huge over-simplification, but it's got to be better if our coaches can make Robles 10% better than us shelling out on a new keeper that's 10% better than Robles.

I think for many of us lay people we assess keepers from a very unqualified standpoint and so it's hard to judge a good one from a bad one, certainly at that level below your Buffons and de Geas. The article seems a sensible analysis of some things the lad can improve, so lets hope he and the coaching staff are doing that.

 

[Blue Cheese]

8 clean sheets in 16 games that article says, hell what more do you want, yes some silly mistakes but overall he's not that bad. At least I don't think so, not that I know the technical aspects of goalkeeping though.

 

[jackyboy]

Sign David Preece?

 

[toffeejack]

it's okay, he won't be our number 1 keeper next season, nor should he be as we'll buy our number 1 in the summer.


...oh wait, i said this exact thing last summer, ffs everton, get it done this time. Weird how we didn't seem to actually be in for any keepers last summer baring some jow hart rumours.

 

[Khalekan]

Don't think there's much weight given to it Khal, it's just a noteworthy article regarding a player who some think we should keep as No.1, and others don't. Juts a discussion point.

Probably should be in the other thread like but that's up to the @mods

Actually, I have to apologise to @EdinburghToffee93 as the dyslexic Khal had not noticed the word "harsh" in his introductory sentence

And I thought the article was being used to cast aspersions on Joel, of whom I am a great admirer

I still don't know who this Preece fellow is, though

 

[Moomin]

8 clean sheets in 16 games that article says, hell what more do you want, yes some silly mistakes but overall he's not that bad. At least I don't think so, not that I know the technical aspects of goalkeeping though.

In quite a few of them games the opposition never had a shot on target.

A lot of the praise for these clean sheets has to goto Koeman setting up the team correctly and the influence of Davies and Schneiderlin doing the dirty work and stopping the attackers getting a shot off.

Robles has improved but he is not good enough to be our number one if we want to get top six. I think it would he best selling him for a few quid to a promoted team and buying a real number one keeper.

Plus, we can then laugh at the club having paid a few million for him as he shows his recent current form was built on a house of cards.

Well played for David Preece a professional goalkeeping coach show the Robles fan boys his technique is poor and he has been very lucky in games this year.

 

[Blue Cheese]

In quite a few of them games the opposition never had a shot on target.

A lot of the praise for these clean sheets has to goto Koeman setting up the team correctly and the influence of Davies and Schneiderlin doing the dirty work and stopping the attackers getting a shot off.

Robles has improved but he is not good enough to be our number one if we want to get top six. I think it would he best selling him for a few quid to a promoted team and buying a real number one keeper.

Plus, we can then laugh at the club having paid a few million for him as he shows his recent current form was built on a house of cards.

Well played for David Preece a professional goalkeeping coach show the Robles fan boys his technique is poor and he has been very lucky in games this year.

I think we can do better definitely but he's not as bad as made out. As for giving credit to Koeman Davies Morgs etc of course as they are part of a functioning team, we can praise individuals for pieces of brilliance but not juyst for doing their job, the whole team has improved in most aspects and a lot is down to the fitness.

 

[Papa Shango]

Not at all.

It's basics.

I'm not - and that article isn't - blaming Robles for every goal he concedes (which as the article correctly points out hasn't been loads).

But all you have to do is watch the last few goals we have conceded and arguably Robles should have done better for every one.

Exhibit A - Mane in the derby. Defence at fault for letting Mane run through them, but Robles was all over the place.

This happens all the time with every goalkeeper. He moved into a position where the ball realistically should have been going, it took a deflection that caught him out. I thought at the time any slating of Robles for this goal was ridiculous, I still do now. Expecting goalies to save shots like that would require a robot.

Exhibit B - Origi in the derby. Same as above.

Exhibit C - United. Now this isn't to pin it on Robles as Williams made a rash, panic-influenced reaction and we paid for it. However, Robles wasn't getting there. He was totally flat footed and badly positioned. He also nearly always jumps off his line way too early from pens, making the oppo's mind up for them.

Had it covered just fine for me. He was right behind Williams. Its not an exhibit one way or the other really as we will never know as it didn't happen.

Exhibit D - Leicester. Albrighton's goal, he was all over the shop. Ridiculous for any keeper to get beaten from there. He was also pretty useless for Slimani's goal but would've been harsh to say he was at fault.

This one annoys me. He was stood in the right place, 99% of the time the ball goes there. If he positioned himself where the goal ended up and Albrighton put it where he would usually (and no doubt intended to put it) then Robles would have been out of position leaving a potentially free header for Leicester's players (who are good at set pieces anyway). It was a fluke goal that nobody could expect to happen. Again, would need a robot to deal with that.

Exhibit E - Burnley. Dreadful for their goal. Defending in front of him was poor but the danger was gone yet he actually ran out and put himself in a position where he could only dive in. Stupid. He'd also been caught out of position earlier on when Barkley headed Keane's effort off the line. Watch it and beforehand Robles is so preoccupied trying to shove the Burnley guy near him he loses where he is.

Yeah the penalty was stupid. It happens though.

He was also dreadful vs Spurs. But every player has a bad game now and then and it happens.

The examples above are basics though. Basic errors and things that can be rectified by simply having some composure in those situations - which he seems to lack and has lacked in the time he's been here.

He's actually a good shot-stopper and makes some excellent saves - especially when he's one-on-one.

But he doesn't really instil any confidence into the side and his lapses in concentration come too often for where we want to be heading.

He's a step in the right direction from the Howard of 2014-2016, and actually I think he's done better than most of us would have expected in the four years he has been here, but that's enough time to tell he ain't good enough.

There are a couple of problems. There is a major lack of good quality goalkeepers out there so I think some of us have unrealistic expectations of whoever plays in goal for us and certainly when it comes to Robles. I have seen the likes of Pickford, Forster, Schmeichel etc linked with us yet if we watched them week in week out like we do with Robles their list of "errors" would be very similar. An upgrade would only be worth it if the goalie in question is a major upgrade on what we have got and none of the names I have seen mentioned tick those boxes.

 

[ijjysmith]

There are a couple of problems. There is a major lack of good quality goalkeepers out there so I think some of us have unrealistic expectations of whoever plays in goal for us and certainly when it comes to Robles. I have seen the likes of Pickford, Forster, Schmeichel etc linked with us yet if we watched them week in week out like we do with Robles their list of "errors" would be very similar. An upgrade would only be worth it if the goalie in question is a major upgrade on what we have got and none of the names I have seen mentioned tick those boxes.

That's the problem.

We can surely appreciate that keepers make mistakes. Well I hope so anyway. But the errors that our last 3, probably more if you include the likes of Mucha (god love him) are not the same as the ones you see from the examples of Pickford, Forster and Schmeichel.

It's basics. I just want a normal goalkeeper. He will make mistakes of course. But ones that normal keepers make. Not the insane ones of Howard and Robles.

 

[BlueToff]

There are a couple of problems. There is a major lack of good quality goalkeepers out there so I think some of us have unrealistic expectations of whoever plays in goal for us and certainly when it comes to Robles. I have seen the likes of Pickford, Forster, Schmeichel etc linked with us yet if we watched them week in week out like we do with Robles their list of "errors" would be very similar. An upgrade would only be worth it if the goalie in question is a major upgrade on what we have got and none of the names I have seen mentioned tick those boxes.

Pickford for me isn't an upgrade. He's potential but right now I'd say him and Robles are of the same quality.

Forster and Schmiechel are a step above for me. They should be given their age (29 and 30 respectively IIRC) and yes they are too prone to the odd error - as every goalkeeper is.

Heaton for me strikes me as the ideal replacement. He's 31 though but could still have 5 years ahead of him at the least at the top level.

But Robles needs replacing. We need fresh blood in that position. Stek isn't good enough, and Robles has proved over the last three seasons that he isn't either.

Basics.

Despite your counter-points, that's what it boils down to. He hasn't got them.

And Mane's shot didn't take a deflection btw.

 

[BlueToff]

You can always make improvements, and it's the coaches job to deliver them. A huge over-simplification, but it's got to be better if our coaches can make Robles 10% better than us shelling out on a new keeper that's 10% better than Robles.

I think for many of us lay people we assess keepers from a very unqualified standpoint and so it's hard to judge a good one from a bad one, certainly at that level below your Buffons and de Geas. The article seems a sensible analysis of some things the lad can improve, so lets hope he and the coaching staff are doing that.

Thing is I think they already have helped Robles.

He did well last year in a struggling side bar the calamity vs Sunderland.

However, he has built on that this year and has made some really important saves.

But, the fact of the matter is he's still making those same blunders and I don't think common sense is something that can be coached into anybody.

I don't want Joel to go. I want us to keep him.

But he's a number two.

A number two you could have confidence in coming in if needed, but a number two none the less.

 

[Dario Terracotta]

Who is "former keeper David Preece" and why is so much weight being given to his opinion on here?

I have never heard of him.

Comes to that, why do we need a different thread for it?

Why is this article not in the designated Joel thread?

Great keeper for Formby Dons mate,mid to late 1980's in the Southport & District Leaguelol

 

[thebluenosebolt]

There are a couple of problems. There is a major lack of good quality goalkeepers out there so I think some of us have unrealistic expectations of whoever plays in goal for us and certainly when it comes to Robles. I have seen the likes of Pickford, Forster, Schmeichel etc linked with us yet if we watched them week in week out like we do with Robles their list of "errors" would be very similar. An upgrade would only be worth it if the goalie in question is a major upgrade on what we have got and none of the names I have seen mentioned tick those boxes.

Agreed, Pickford looks a keeper no doubt but he is shortly getting relegated with a woeful backline...similarily Joe Hart won the league with a great backline....it aint all down to keepers being great. Not sure what i'm grtting at really but Joel has saved us some valuable points this season, Looks assured 90 % of the time...5% will only come from futher training and game time. He wont ever be 100 %
....none are !!!
I for one am happy he's here...especially since we were treated to season after season with star chump Howard....yeah i said chump...wordplay on jump..see what i did there ??