Is 7th and "Net Spend" The Only Reason To Keep Moyes

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Philw said:
I disagree massively with that. It is but one of many important factors, and certainly not the most important. Look at Ferguson. He's had some good buys in the TM, but also some massive failures/dissapointments, yet they, and he, are the team/manager of the last 15-20 years.
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Seems the point is Ferguson and ManU have had the capacity to make those huge failures and either carry them and still succeed or offload them and move on or simply spend again to right the mistake and spend again heavily, again. They are still paying some of the highest wages in the land and being on their books means players are often involved with money spinning side deals with sponsors as well as. Ferguson isn't picking up Cantona's for a paltry million anymore, he volleyed 24 big ones up the wall at Arsenal for RVP a player in his final year that had a titty lip on him. 24 big ones has paid off big time. ManU under Ferguson has been able to cherry pick some of the best players at competing clubs - Berbatov, although we werent direct competitors Rooney, Keane, Ferdinand. Be under no illusions the pressure on Moyes to make a £5 million budget work and work well is a universe of difference away to the one Ferguson operates in.
 

Philw said:
Except there isnt a direct correlation. Obviously more money helps, but it is a guarrantee of success. Just look at Liverpool or who is winning the league this year? It's not Man City or Chelsea, but Utd. Whilst they have spent plenty over the years, they haven't thrown money at their team like the others have.


I disagree massively with that. It is but one of many important factors, and certainly not the most important. Look at Ferguson. He's had some good buys in the TM, but also some massive failures/dissapointments, yet they, and he, are the team/manager of the last 15-20 years.
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Of course there's a direct correlation between spending & success. The biggest 5 spenders in the past decade currently occupy the top 4 PL places & the 5th is the ****e, who've spent their money badly. Spending money is guaranteed to bring success if you spend enough of it & don't have to work within any form of financial framework e.g. what City did to buy the PL title - they made mistakes in the market, but just wrote them off & spent some more - until they won..............

As for Ferguson, he's made some poor buys over the years, but his good ones have outweighed the bad by a considerable distance - his team & bench is full of multi million pound players. The most important part of a managers job is assembling a side with enough quality to win.
 
EvertruvianMan said:
Evidently he isn't.
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He is mate. The seasons not out yet. Liverpool has a better squad than ours and they may still finish above us. Newcastle "possibly" have a better squad but have had virtually half their best players out all season and are still in the Europa Cup. Even so Moyes isn't pitching above his weight in squad quality terms. He's doing a good job nothing more.
 
Foot Long Hot Dog said:
Of course there's a direct correlation between spending & success. The biggest 5 spenders in the past decade currently occupy the top 4 PL places & the 5th is the ****e, who've spent their money badly. Spending money is guaranteed to bring success if you spend enough of it & don't have to work within any form of financial framework e.g. what City did to buy the PL title - they made mistakes in the market, but just wrote them off & spent some more - until they won..............

As for Ferguson, he's made some poor buys over the years, but his good ones have outweighed the bad by a considerable distance - his team & bench is full of multi million pound players. The most important part of a managers job is assembling a side with enough quality to win.
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It obviously doesn't mate. If we're finishing average 7th and 14th net spend. Arsenal finishing 4th and 20th net spend it's obviously not all about money. Thats If you want the flip side of your post.
 

Brennan said:
Which is based on the performances of the players under his control. This isn't Fifa, players don't have comparable numbers so you can easily rate them.
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Player quality is based on player quality nothing else. David Moyes does not take sole credit for a players ability just because he's their manager.
 
Stend said:
It obviously doesn't mate. If we're finishing average 7th and 14th net spend. Arsenal finishing 4th and 20th net spend it's obviously not all about money. Thats If you want the flip side of your post.
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What of Chelsea paying out third (?) finishing fifth and winning the CL and FA cup?
Spurs snagged fourth and got snided out by the kopites rule change. Whats their pay placing?
Swansea got the LC this term Wigan look set to make the FA cup final.... etc.....
 
Foot Long Hot Dog said:
The most important part of a managers job is assembling a side with enough quality to win.
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I'd say the most important part of a manager's job is to set up his side to get the best out of his players, in order to win games.

The transfer market can be used to fill a void that a club may have in their playing staff, but ultimately it's all about the matches.
 
Stend said:
It obviously doesn't mate. If we're finishing average 7th and 14th net spend. Arsenal finishing 4th and 20th net spend it's obviously not all about money. Thats If you want the flip side of your post.
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Money not net spend.

Arsenal spend £140m on wages each year.

There is a direct correlation between total spend and average finishing position.

When you look at the research it shows that only Moyes exceeds his expected finishing position on a regular basis.
 

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