Is 7th and "Net Spend" The Only Reason To Keep Moyes

[Goat]

It can't be the hiring of Moyes, he wants him out. I'm pretty sure he said " overstayed his welcome " with regards to Moyes, but seems quite content with Blue Bill staying.

Maybe hes gonna mention Kirkby, it certainly raised our profile, nearly everybody laughed at us.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

You realise with it being a loan, that he wants it back at some point right? So in reality he’s only ‘giving’ the difference between what the interest would be and how much he can appreciate the business with the £150m. On a smaller level look at a club like Tranmere, Peter Johnson ‘invested’ money in them, it didn’t work out, he wants his money back, no one is prepared to pay it and the club is stuck on running on the ‘smallest’ budget in their division.

Kenwright may not be the answer, but I’m not convinced that Ashley is either.

It's an interest free loan of over £150M, compared to Bill's contribution of ermmm, well, errmmm £0.

We have borrowings of less than 1/3rd of that, which cost over £5m per annum to service. That £5m p.a. would be double what Moyes has had net to spend during his tenure.

The fact that at some point (probably when he sells) Ashley will want to recoup as much of that as he can, would be fine by me if he was at Everton.

 

[Goat]

It's an interest free loan of over £150M, compared to Bill's contribution of ermmm, well, errmmm £0.

We have borrowings of less than 1/3rd of that, which cost over £5m per annum to service. That £5m p.a. would be double what Moyes has had net to spend during his tenure.

The fact that at some point (probably when he sells) Ashley will want to recoup as much of that as he can, would be fine by me if he was at Everton.

You make a fine point.

The 4m interest we pay yearly and thats 4m that shows on the accounts and isnt part of OOC, thats 4m that isnt going into Moyes kitty.

So 4m, thats the price of a Jelavic and Gibson, every Season.

Over the course of Moyes time, its 44m, the price of almost 3 Fellainis.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Plus the £1m that we pay to errrmmm Earl, no errrmmm Vibrac for the yearly renewable loan of £13m.

Oh & while I'm at it, with that sort of funding we could buy back Finch Farm & save another £1.3m per year.

 

[Moomin]

Plus the £1m that we pay to errrmmm Earl, no errrmmm Vibrac for the yearly renewable loan of £13m.

Oh & while I'm at it, with that sort of funding we could buy back Finch Farm & save another £1.3m per year.

Is the 1m for Vibrac shown in the accounts or does it come under OOC??

This must be a good reason that Dell Boy is typing out as we speak, i can't wait for it.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Is the 1m for Vibrac shown in the accounts or does it come under OOC??

This must be a good reason that Dell Boy is typing out as we speak, i can't wait for it.

It's in the accounts mate, as borrowings due within 12 months.

 

[zirc]

I've got it.




He hasn't changed our kit from blue to red like Cardiff.

LONG LIVE KENWRIGHT

 

[canuckblue]

The only thing Kenwright has going for him is he's not a young man.
Oh, wait, that's what's going for us.

 

[bluejock]

Hi Dell

Have you got one yet?

Do you need a bit longer?

Let me know x

 

[BadWool76]

I don't see us progressing mate.

If i can give you a really rough analogy. Say i work fulltime in a restaurant and rent a crappy flat, and do nothing in life but work and sleep. Am i wholly satisfied with the situation ? Nope. Does that mean i should stick two months rent on black ? Again, nope.

Moyes has his weaknesses, but as far as i'm concerned changing manager is the least likely of the three real options we have to actually get us a trophy. I think there are two better options. Give Moyes some decent money for once (might happen), or change owners (no chance).

I'm not buzzing about finishing 7th every year, but i'd rather that at the moment than risk screwing the whole club in pursuit of a trophy.

So you say I am not adding anything truthful to the debate and then you go and end you're post with that beauty. You couldn't make it up.

 

[Dell Boy]

Hi Dell

Have you got one yet?

Do you need a bit longer?

Let me know x

It'll be tomorrow now Lid. Sorry work caught up with me.

Keep the faith xx

 

[bluejock]

It'll be tomorrow now Lid. Sorry work caught up with me.

Keep the faith xx

I'll pencil it in now, looking forward to it.

If he sells the club tonight then you're the luckiest [Poor language removed] going.

 

[Ihaters]

There's no point holding on for Moyes when he doesn't want to be here.

It's not about wanting change it's going to happen. Sooner rather than later.

Its not, its about whether two of the many defenses of Moyes are reason to keep him

Title: Is 7th and Net spent the only reason to keep Moyeshttp://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/t...end-quot-The-Only-Reason-To-Keep-Moyes/page11

Obviously the answer is no as the other 50 threads on the subject have thrown up dozens of arguments for keeping him, but the debate is not that he has gone, deal with it, its whether these two alone would be worth keeping him.
For me, just those two are sufficient to say yes.
When your average manager with average transfer ability would finish around 14th, it makes sense that its not the problem.

 

[peteblue]

Moyes will either eventually leave or he will eventually die. We will have a new manager and things will be different. Get used to it.........

 

[Philw]

I can say it is almost a certainty. He has been in charge for 11 years. In all that time only Sam Alladyce (when we finished 17th and 11th) has finished above him twice working on a similar budget.

Surely if he were just an OK manager then someone like Martin O'Neill, Martin Jol, Harry Redknapp or one of the other quite highly rated managers would have managed it?

Yet when those managers have finished above Moyes they have only done so by being given a budget much higher than his. When they operate under the same conditions they drop down to midtable.

If someone, just one, manager got teams to similar points totals to Everton on similar budgets then I'd accept it was possible to do. But nobody has, not one, in 11 whole years.

Fair enough, but it seems to me your picking from a very limited pool of managers there for your examples. What about Spain, Germany, Italy etc?

I was taking the p1ss as the quotes seemed to contradict themselves accompanied by the actual finishes achieved in the league. It wasnt so long ago we were toughing it out with Villa for fifth. How things change in what - 3 seasons?

Ah, fair enough

Do you reckon he will see enough dough without selling? Every team around us will also get new dough so how will he push on if it comes down to fighting clubs arounds who can outmuscle us now? IMHO, the fella want a biger step change than Bill can afford to give him even based on the new money comming in from the TV. Surley the answer for this or any other manager is for the owner to drop the sale price and sell up to those who can provide the step change this or any other manager requires.

Well I think that largely depends on a) how much of a difference that money will mean to the club (ie to Man C/Chelsea it will make less difference than it would to us), and b] who will make the most of that extra, which I have to admit I would expect Moyes to be one of the best at.

The end game of just taking profit from every sale and never investing any money is that the club folds. So basically you want us to give BK credit for not deliberately destroying* the club.

*Rather than very slowly destroying it via incompetence.

It's like giving a business credit for paying its staff -- there is no business if they have no staff.

By that logic they might as well liquidate the club.

Surely that's only true if you're bad at player trading, something Moyes/The Board have been decent at over the years.