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Ince calls for fewer foreign managers at Premier League clubs

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http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/t...gn-managers-at-premier-league-clubs-n36glk5d0
Ince calls for fewer foreign managers at Premier League clubs

Paul Ince believes there is a prejudice against English managers among clubs and wants to see the FA and Premier League doing more to help home-grown coaches.

Ince, one of the few black managers in English football, has been out of work for more than two years but believes that it is nationality rather than race that is a hindrance.

“Clubs seem to think the foreign managers are better than English managers, but they are not,” he said.

“This is where the FA and the Premier League have got to come together and restrict the number of foreign managers, though I don’t know how you do it. It’s not just the Premier League either, it’s happening now in the Championship and League One.

“In Italy, you have mostly Italian managers. In Germany, it’s the same. If an Italian manager loses his job then usually it’s an Italian who takes over
“What’s the point of the FA saying ‘do your badges’ if you can’t get jobs.”

Ince’s managerial statistics bear comparison with many of his contemporaries, including those of Sam Allardyce. At Milton Keynes Dons in 2007-08 Ince’s side had a win ratio of 60 per cent as they gained promotion, and over his entire career, including an unsuccessful spell at Blackburn Rovers, his teams have either won or drawn 63.8 per cent of games. Allardyce’s win ratio during his Bolton Wanderers years was 41 per cent and it was 35.7 per cent at West Ham United.

Ince admitted it was frustrating to see Gareth Southgate, whom he played alongside at Middlesbrough, being given a shot at the England manager’s job. Southgate’s only club experience was at the Teesside club — who were relegated during his time in charge — while Ince is struggling to even secure interviews for jobs.

He added: “It kind of rankles with me. I think among English managers I’m up there with one of the top five.

“I’m not sure I’m given the credit for what I have achieved in difficult circumstances. That’s why it annoys me when I see people getting jobs and I am not getting the chances.

“I look at myself and think I am good at this and you have to keep plugging on, but it is frustrating.

“Gareth is a top man and a friend of mine, and I wish him all the luck, but he gets this opportunity having been manager at Middlesbrough when they were relegated and then at youth levels, whereas I have managed in all four divisions.

“I would hate to think that racism was the case. But when I sit there for more than two years without a job it’s hard for me to say definitely that it is not the reason. I prefer to think if you are good enough you will get there"

 

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http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/t...gn-managers-at-premier-league-clubs-n36glk5d0
Ince calls for fewer foreign managers at Premier League clubs

Paul Ince believes there is a prejudice against English managers among clubs and wants to see the FA and Premier League doing more to help home-grown coaches.

Ince, one of the few black managers in English football, has been out of work for more than two years but believes that it is nationality rather than race that is a hindrance.

“Clubs seem to think the foreign managers are better than English managers, but they are not,” he said.

“This is where the FA and the Premier League have got to come together and restrict the number of foreign managers, though I don’t know how you do it. It’s not just the Premier League either, it’s happening now in the Championship and League One.

“In Italy, you have mostly Italian managers. In Germany, it’s the same. If an Italian manager loses his job then usually it’s an Italian who takes over
“What’s the point of the FA saying ‘do your badges’ if you can’t get jobs.”

Ince’s managerial statistics bear comparison with many of his contemporaries, including those of Sam Allardyce. At Milton Keynes Dons in 2007-08 Ince’s side had a win ratio of 60 per cent as they gained promotion, and over his entire career, including an unsuccessful spell at Blackburn Rovers, his teams have either won or drawn 63.8 per cent of games. Allardyce’s win ratio during his Bolton Wanderers years was 41 per cent and it was 35.7 per cent at West Ham United.

Ince admitted it was frustrating to see Gareth Southgate, whom he played alongside at Middlesbrough, being given a shot at the England manager’s job. Southgate’s only club experience was at the Teesside club — who were relegated during his time in charge — while Ince is struggling to even secure interviews for jobs.

He added: “It kind of rankles with me. I think among English managers I’m up there with one of the top five.

“I’m not sure I’m given the credit for what I have achieved in difficult circumstances. That’s why it annoys me when I see people getting jobs and I am not getting the chances.

“I look at myself and think I am good at this and you have to keep plugging on, but it is frustrating.

“Gareth is a top man and a friend of mine, and I wish him all the luck, but he gets this opportunity having been manager at Middlesbrough when they were relegated and then at youth levels, whereas I have managed in all four divisions.

“I would hate to think that racism was the case. But when I sit there for more than two years without a job it’s hard for me to say definitely that it is not the reason. I prefer to think if you are good enough you will get there"
As much as there is any truth in all of these.

Paul ince has cried racism on skin colour now prejudice in nationality for him and others getting a job.

It would help his case if he wasn't a crap manager.......

(and in comparison Eddie howe took bournemouth from league 2 to premier league and didnt get sacked at all for a foreign manager...)
 
I think he can have a point about black managers not being given the chances to manage.

English managers have continually shown that they aren't good enough across the board, though. The insular nature of the FA and the leagues for so many decades created a inflexibility from English coaches that is only starting to be undone now
 

I think he can have a point about black managers not being given the chances to manage.

English managers have continually shown that they aren't good enough across the board, though. The insular nature of the FA and the leagues for so many decades created a inflexibility from English coaches that is only starting to be undone now

The problem with English coaches, especially ex-national player coaches, is not that they aren't given the opportunities, its that they are given opportunities too early and clubs that are too big.

Ince himself started on the right track - take lower level jobs, do well, and either take that club or up or get progressively bigger jobs until your competence and experience allows you to be a success in the top flight - but then threw it all away by trying to miss out a few steps, probably because his ego told him that he was good enough to. Other coaches with more wisdom (Dyche, Rowett, Howe etc) have not repeated his mistakes and have had much more success than he had, or probably will ever do.
 

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