If you know your HISTORY

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KelseyGrammer-Beast said:
Has there ever been a time where the crowd booed the team coming out before the start of a match? (After Z-cars of course)
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I really think that's exactly what should happen, away or not.

They need to learn that unless they're prepared to give 100%, then they should jog on.

I wouldn't be surprised to see a low away attendance at Spurs in protest.
 
Way to support the team there bb.

Now after you realize that is a bit of a daft idea, sit down with your stream on Sunday and CHEER THE MIGHTY BLUES!!!!!!
 
Dylan said:
Way to support the team there bb.

Now after you realize that is a bit of a daft idea, sit down with your stream on Sunday and CHEER THE MIGHTY BLUES!!!!!!
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I'm not sure whether that's a genuine 'enjoy the match', or a 'you're not a real fan because you watch a stream' comment, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

Just remember that some of the guys who watch the game on tv today, helped to build the very foundations of our great club yesterday, by offering their continued support untill they were no longer able to do so.

Fans letting the players know exactly what they thought of yesterdays performance isn't a bad idea, but a genuine and passionate reaction to what was a stab in the heart for each and every one of us, where ever we may be.

Players, managers, chairmen and eventually stadiums come and go.
The hearts of the fans are forever, and yesterdays lack of effort, booed, or not, will eventually become another part of our history.
 
bluebastardo said:
I'm not sure whether that's a genuine 'enjoy the match', or a 'you're not a real fan because you watch a stream' comment, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

Just remember that some of the guys who watch the game on tv today, helped to build the very foundations of our great club yesterday, by offering their continued support untill they were no longer able to do so.

Fans letting the players know exactly what they thought of yesterdays performance isn't a bad idea, but a genuine and passionate reaction to what was a stab in the heart for each and every one of us, where ever we may be.

Players, managers, chairmen and eventually stadiums come and go.
The hearts of the fans are forever, and yesterdays lack of effort, booed, or not, will eventually become another part of our history.
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Do you think the players don't know they played badly? I mean think about things for a minute.

Lets say your customers came into your office or wherever you work tomorrow and started booing you. First off you'd probably crack up at the absurdity of it all but after that it's very unlikely that it would make you perform better because such reactions assume that the players deliberately went out to do badly.

There has been lots of research into the effectiveness of feedback and the general consensus is that unless its constructive its pretty much useless, or in worst case scenarios destructive to performance.

It's well known that sportsmen perform best when they can do so automatically. When they start thinking too much they get the yips and mess up. So let Moyes do his job and do what supporters are supposed to do, support the team.
 

You decide..
Grand Old Team to support... or Heartbreaking

I'm not throwing in the towel but: This football club has given me, and you, many years of pleasure but it's also incapable, most of the time, of seizing the moment. I'm talking about a litany of chances, over the years, to be something, something special. Now I'm not for one minute saying it isn't a pleasure or a privilege to follow Everton Football Club (try for one minute to imagine being born a Stockport County, Coventry or heaven help us Manchester City fan!) but, and here's the rub, it's like living Kipling's If at times with Everton - and I won't even mention the G******es across the park, like a really horrible younger brother with all the "parent's love" (aka money and (media) attention) giving it large at our despair.

Somehow Everton seem to manufacture adversity out of a positive situation - for each generation of Blue players to recreate the fallibility gene which is in their blood. Let me indulge you with some great examples over the years:

1968: FA Cup Final - managing to lose to a very ordinary WBA
1971: The double whammy of Panathinaikos (probably assisted by the ref) and The RS (kicked off Old Trafford)
1975: Blowing the title when it was ours to win
1977: The double loss (in extra-extra time) v Villa and the RS (thanks a million Clive Thomas)
1980: Losing to West Ham in the semi final (from a winning position)
1984: Losing to the RS in the Milk Cup (once again ably assisted by a missed handball)
1986: To lose to the RS at Wembley
1989: To lose to the RS at Wembley
2005: Villarreal and Dinamo
2009: FA Cup Final heartache
2010: Not showing up in Lisbon (twice!)

There have of course been exceptions - glorious moments, triumphs, trophies, Derby victories and so on - you wouldn't expect us to screw up every time - but they are, by far, outweighed by the heartbreaking moments.

I guess I've missed a few - players (selling Alan Ball, Big Dunc?), bad managers, Derby heartache.. Right now I'm hurt and angry and I don't know who to direct my hurt and anger towards..
 
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I looked at the list Toffeedan produced and realized I had been present at all of them except the two Lisbon games.

For what it's worth ... perhaps not much .... the answer to all of them is: we weren't quite good enough. The extra little bit of quality which would have chased away bad luck just wasn't in those teams. In '68 we had a winger who feared heading a ball might end his life, for example. In '71, we had a little inside forward who made bad decisions on a regualr basis, including ignoring Alan Ball for what would have been a certain and decisive second goal at Old Trafford. And so it goes on.

Quality and planning. Those are the keys every time. Have enough of it and you do well. Have a little of it and you remain the "nearly" men.

Bad luck is a constant theme on Everton sites. The first and second world wars didn't hamper other good teams. Heysel didn't see Arsenal or Liverpool stand still. United still managed to plan and build. Other teams experience completely [Poor language removed] refereeing decisions.

Why haven't we won more trophies? Maybe because in the last 60 years, we can number only four truly world class players: Ball, Wilson, Nev and Gary L. Try a roll call of the same quality for Arsenal, Liverpool or United.

Currently, we are attempting to be considered as trophy chasers with some players who simply wouldn't have made it in to the two great teams of the 60's. We are good enough to get the occasional magnificent result, but teams that win trophies (and yes, dear readers, I know you know) pull rabbits out of hats on a regular basis. Not through luck but through quality and planning.

(More red dots anyone?)
 
Morning after the night before. Fuming last night, but this morning once again proud to be a blue. Good points made in the two posts above, campaigns ending in disapointment too often, but remember how good it felt going along those roads. Come on you blues.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
Do you think the players don't know they played badly? I mean think about things for a minute.

Lets say your customers came into your office or wherever you work tomorrow and started booing you. First off you'd probably crack up at the absurdity of it all but after that it's very unlikely that it would make you perform better because such reactions assume that the players deliberately went out to do badly.

There has been lots of research into the effectiveness of feedback and the general consensus is that unless its constructive its pretty much useless, or in worst case scenarios destructive to performance.

It's well known that sportsmen perform best when they can do so automatically. When they start thinking too much they get the yips and mess up. So let Moyes do his job and do what supporters are supposed to do, support the team.
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I can't agree here Bruce.

When, and if, my customers were unhappy, they would use another company, or take to court, or worse.

I'm not earning £50,000 per week, and they're not loyal to me. If I don't give 100%, they walk.

Last night wasn't unlucky.
Last night was a clueless performance, from both players and manager, and lacked determination, effort, and team work.
Did one player sit on the pitch, at the end of the match, head in hands, distraught that they had given everything ... and failed?

I keep hearing the words ' we weren't good enough', but that simply isn't true, because they are good enough. What happened was that their asses fell out of their pants, and why?

Was it the roar from the crowd, because I could only hear Everton fans untill Sporting scored.

Perhaps it was that they were afraid of the opponent, and lay on the floor while Sporting kicked the living daylights out of them, but I seem to remember them outplaying Sporting at Goodison.

Perhaps it was down to our poor form of late, yet we are top of the form league, having played 4 of the best teams in the world in recent weeks, in the so called 'best league in the world'.

What really happened was that Moyes failed to lift the spirits of the players, either through poor tactics, poor team selection, or poor preparation.
He also failed to take a chance, instead, opting to play the same players, in the same positions, regardless of form or fitness. He knew one goal for us would win it, yet started with one striker.
He knew Nev would get eaten alive on the wing, yet refused to play the much faster Coleman, and put Nev in the middle, where he could organize his team, again opting for the worst player in our team regarding form, in Bily.

He decided to take our form player in Osman, and make him man mark Moutinho.

He was unable to change things during the first half, because Moyes only makes changes on the 70th minute mark, or there abouts, whether the game needs it or not.

What really happened was the players themselves lost belief before entering the pitch, yet are playing first team football, week in, week out, for the 5th best team, in a League where Sporting would struggle on current form.

What really happened was that the big players didn't show up, and panic set in from the first whistle.

We sit at our keyboards, and discuss the values of our players with glee, stating we wouldn't except less than x amount for this player, and x amount for that player, but the truth is, we are a very inexperienced side, with a very inexperienced manager, and the players we look to perform for us have the quality, but don't have the balls.

Sporting grew in confidence, because we were unable to cope with the occasion. We lay down like sheep, and allowed quite ordinary poodles to become wolves.

We went there with the sole purpose of defending a one goal lead, with little thought of any effort into getting a goal ourselves, and it was only a matter of time that we let a goal in.

I'll be proud of any Everton side that metaphorically bleeds for the badge, win or lose, but when I see a side bleed because they didn't want to fight back, that's when I'll show my discontent.

The fans owe Everton nothing, but Everton owes the fans plenty.

Rant over. :)
 
What really happened was that Moyes failed to lift the spirits of the players, either through poor tactics, poor team selection, or poor preparation.
He also failed to take a chance, instead, opting to play the same players, in the same positions, regardless of form or fitness. He knew one goal for us would win it, yet started with one striker.
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Sounds like you should be the manager rather than Moyes :)

My point is that it is very unlikely that we lost through not trying hard enough. They didn't become motivated one week and un-motivated the next, yet it is this that fans constantly turn to to vent their spleens. It wasn't that our passing wasn't good last night or that Sporting upped their game, it was that the players didn't run around enough and that a good bollocking from the terraces will soon kick them into gear.

It's probably done because it gives us a sense of power in an area where we are ofter powerless.
 

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