How to accommodate Rodwell

[billycopper]

I'm on a roll tonight! lol

Ok, so given that the current shape is like this:

_________Howard
Neville Heitinga Distin Baines
_________Fellaini
Donovan Arteta Cahill Pienaar
__________Saha

Where does Rodwell fit into the side? Is he an understudy for Fellaini? Do we move Arteta out to the right and puts Rods in with Cahill once Donovan's loan expires? Do we 'rest' Cahill and integrate him into the midfield that way?

Perhaps we need to adopt a more Chelsea-esque system?

____________Cech
Ivanovic Carvalho Terry A. Cole
_________Mikel Essien
____Ballack Lampard Malouda
__________Drogba

The formation allows the fullbacks to get forward and offer width, which would be ideal for us with Coleman and Baines.

___________Howard
Coleman Heitinga Distin Baines
_______Rodwell Fellaini
_____Arteta Cahill Pienaar
___________Saha

With those two 'monsters' guarding the gates to the back four, as well as giving the fullbacks license to get forward, it would also give Arteta and Pienaar freedom to roam.

It seems like the logical set up for the players at our disposal to me.

 

[chicoazul]

We need more than a first eleven lid, illustrated by Fellaini being injured now.

If were in Europe then there's a punishing schedule so the squad comes into play.

Added to the fact that Rodwell could eventually end up playing CB I'd say there's nothing to worry about.

 

[moyes_bringin_it_back]

I'm on a roll tonight! lol

Ok, so given that the current shape is like this:

_________Howard
Neville Heitinga Distin Baines
_________Fellaini
Donovan Arteta Cahill Pienaar
__________Saha

Where does Rodwell fit into the side? Is he an understudy for Fellaini? Do we move Arteta out to the right and puts Rods in with Cahill once Donovan's loan expires? Do we 'rest' Cahill and integrate him into the midfield that way?

Perhaps we need to adopt a more Chelsea-esque system?

____________Cech
Ivanovic Carvalho Terry A. Cole
_________Mikel Essien
____Ballack Lampard Malouda
__________Drogba

The formation allows the fullbacks to get forward and offer width, which would be ideal for us with Coleman and Baines.

___________Howard
Coleman Heitinga Distin Baines
_______Rodwell Fellaini
_____Arteta Cahill Pienaar
___________Saha

With those two 'monsters' guarding the gates to the back four, as well as giving the fullbacks license to get forward, it would also give Arteta and Pienaar freedom to roam.

It seems like the logical set up for the players at our disposal to me.

Watch it.

You'll be getting Moyes accussed of being negative again...

 

[spikeman]

I posted this in another thread but since felli's injured the squad should be:

------------Howard-------------
Coleman Heitinga Distin Baines
Donovan Neville Arteta Pienaar
-------------Cahill-------------
-------------Saha--------------

with Rodwell, Yak/Vaughan, Bily as the subs

 

[ToxtethBlue]

We don't need to accommodate him, he's a talented 18 year old but he's still got alot to learn, he'll probably be used sparingly and Moyes will pick and choose when he wants to use him. He'll learn from more experienced professionals and when he's ready, we'll have a hell of a player on our hands.

 

[billycopper]

We know that Moyes is not a fan of squad-rotation. If Fella is fit and playing week in week out, when is Rods going to get a game? At centre back we've got Jags, Jonny, Yobo, Distin and Senderos. Will DM put Rodders in ahead of any of them?

Before too long, we'll want both Fellaini and Rodwell to be playing as often as they're fit to do so. How we do that without disrupting the balance elsewhere is the question.

 

[chicoazul]

We know that Moyes is not a fan of squad-rotation. If Fella is fit and playing week in week out, when is Rods going to get a game? At centre back we've got Jags, Jonny, Yobo, Distin and Senderos. Will DM put Rodders in ahead of any of them?

Before too long, we'll want both Fellaini and Rodwell to be playing as often as they're fit to do so. How we do that without disrupting the balance elsewhere is the question.

He'll rotate when needed, plus there's inevitable injuries to contend with. He isn't playing well enough now to dislodge anyone's position but when he is then he'll take over the other guy can sweat it on the bench for a while.

While everyone likes to have a pre-determined starting eleven, the modern game doesn't really run that way.

 

[billycopper]

My point is that Fella should, all being well, be the mainstay of our midfield for another decade or more. It's not as if Rodwell can wait til he retires to take over. So how do we integrate him into the side? Do we play him somewhere else? Where? Instead of who? Do they play alternate matches? Can they both play together?

 

[ToxtethBlue]

Moyes has never had a squad to rotate, there's a difference really, he's never been allowed to rotate. Ofcourse every manager has a first eleven but because of injuries, suspensions and fatigue you are always likely to see players coming in for each other. Especially with us trying to compete in four different competitions.

 

[ToxtethBlue]

My point is that Fella should, all being well, be the mainstay of our midfield for another decade or more. It's not as if Rodwell can wait til he retires to take over. So how do we integrate him into the side? Do we play him somewhere else? Where? Instead of who? Do they play alternate matches? Can they both play together?

Should he, Who's to say someone won't come in and knock both Fellaini and Rodwell out the side? You never know really, Rodwell and Fellaini might not get to level we think they will, injuries could come into play, one of them might be sold, maybe even both.

It's far too early to say. Rodwell is still a kid, there's four years between him and Fellaini, which is alot in football terms. There's an even bigger gap between him and the other midfielders we have.

 

[chicoazul]

My point is that Fella should, all being well, be the mainstay of our midfield for another decade or more. It's not as if Rodwell can wait til he retires to take over. So how do we integrate him into the side? Do we play him somewhere else? Where? Instead of who? Do they play alternate matches? Can they both play together?

To be honest with you mate, it's unlikely Fellaini will be here beyond four years if he develops well.

 

[billycopper]

Under Moyes, it's nearly always the same starting lineup week in week out, unless there are injuries. Take Coleman as an example at right back. He may be inexperienced, but he's 22 years of age. If Neville and Hibbert are fit, how many games do you think he'll take part in between now and the end of the season? Three?

What will change next season? Moyes will still be desperate to win every game, whether it's the FA Cup, the Carling Cup or the league. Coleman will only get a chance if the senior players ahead of him are injured.

Whilst I can understand his reasoning, I do wish that he'd take a bit more of a chance every now and then.

 

[chicoazul]

Under Moyes, it's nearly always the same starting lineup week in week out, unless there are injuries. Take Coleman as an example at right back. He may be inexperienced, but he's 22 years of age. If Neville and Hibbert are fit, how many games do you think he'll take part in between now and the end of the season? Three?

What will change next season? Moyes will still be desperate to win every game, whether it's the FA Cup, the Carling Cup or the league. Coleman will only get a chance if the senior players ahead of him are injured.

Whilst I can understand his reasoning, I do wish that he'd take a bit more of a chance every now and then.

He's 21 mate, and new to this level of football coming from Sligo. Moyes has indicated he would like to loan him out which would suggest he thinks he needs more experience.

Hibbert is liable to underwhelm and Neville is getting on a bit so on the contrary its not looking too bad for him.

Then there are injuries...

 

[billycopper]

He's 21 mate, and new to this level of football coming from Sligo. Moyes has indicated he would like to loan him out which would suggest he thinks he needs more experience.

Hibbert is liable to underwhelm and Neville is getting on a bit so on the contrary its not looking too bad for him.

Then there are injuries...

I think I rounded up again lol I guess my frustration is that Rodwell and Coleman are exciting talents who, from what I've seen, seem ready to play regular Premier League football. Whilst, I appreciate how Neville can be a great leader and motivator for the side, it's depressing when he gets the ball at the half way line and, unable to go past a man, launches a pointless ball towards the opposition penalty area.

I would love to see opposition midfielders coming up against Rodwell and Fellaini and thinking 'oh f@*k!'. That they have such grace on the ball makes it all the more pleasing. I'd also love to see Coleman and Baines getting to the byeline and leaving their opponents dizzy.

Patience is a virtue, I suppose.

 

[chicoazul]

Allegedly. From what I've seen I would like to see more of Coleman but then I don't take training every day.

I'll be happy if he develops into being a regular starter as he seems to have similar qualities to Baines and we could do with that on both flanks.

Rodwell has shown glimpses this season and was unlucky to be playing at a time when the team were doing absolute [Poor language removed]. I think we'll see him looking ace at points this season too hopefully then next year he can kick on a bit, along with Bily who should be adapting.

There's a lot of ifs there but we'll see.