How far are we from Champions League?

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After Lukaku 'demanding' that he wants Champions League, I was thinking "how far are we from a Champions league side?"

If we use the current 4-3-2-1 system, then add in the players from our current squad who could get us there next season...where do we actually need to strengthen at a minimum?

.................................GK

Coleman.....Williams.......LCB...........LB

..........RCM...........Gana.....Schneiderlin

.......................Barkley......AM

..............................Lukaku

Rotation
Robles GK
Holgate RB/RCB
Galloway LB/LCB
Baines LB
McCarthy DM
Davies CM
Besic CM
Lookman AM
Deulofeu AM
Bolasie AM
Calvert-Lewin FW

I feel that we need to ideally have 2 teams to make up the squad and we are quite close to having a very good 1st eleven and also players to come in on a rotation basis.

GK -- Robles has done very well but top keepers win leagues. See the difference in quality between Robles and Martyn/Southall.

LCB -- I think Williams is a better player than he has shown for us this season. Could it be that when played with Jags(past it), Mori(erratic) and Holgate(young) hes not showing his quality? Time to bring in a top LCB or move Williams there (where he plays for Wales) and bring in a RCB.

LB - Ive been in awe of Baines and was delighted when we signed him from Wigan. It appears that age has caught him up as well as niggling fitness issues. We need a younger version with Baines mentoring him.

RCM - I'm big on youth but feel that we need a superstar in central midfield. Davies can rotate in/out but i think we need a true powerhouse central midfielder.

AM - Basically, we need a superstar attacking midfielder/second striker/support forward to link with Barkley and Lukaku.

CF - Obviously we need someone who can rotate or back up Lukaku.


I dont think were far off now. 6 players more as a minimim and I think we have a Champions League quality side.

With TV money/player sales(see below) we could do it...now over to Walsh!

Outs
Jagielka
Kone
Mirallas
Lennon
Barry
Valencia
Stekelenburg
Mori
Garbutt

How far off do you think we are?
 

After Lukaku 'demanding' that he wants Champions League, I was thinking "how far are we from a Champions league side?"

If we use the current 4-3-2-1 system, then add in the players from our current squad who could get us there next season...where do we actually need to strengthen at a minimum?

.................................GK

Coleman.....Williams.......LCB...........LB

..........RCM...........Gana.....Schneiderlin

.......................Barkley......AM

..............................Lukaku

Rotation
Robles GK
Holgate RB/RCB
Galloway LB/LCB
Baines LB
McCarthy DM
Davies CM
Besic CM
Lookman AM
Deulofeu AM
Bolasie AM
Calvert-Lewin FW

I feel that we need to ideally have 2 teams to make up the squad and we are quite close to having a very good 1st eleven and also players to come in on a rotation basis.

GK -- Robles has done very well but top keepers win leagues. See the difference in quality between Robles and Martyn/Southall.

LCB -- I think Williams is a better player than he has shown for us this season. Could it be that when played with Jags(past it), Mori(erratic) and Holgate(young) hes not showing his quality? Time to bring in a top LCB or move Williams there (where he plays for Wales) and bring in a RCB.

LB - Ive been in awe of Baines and was delighted when we signed him from Wigan. It appears that age has caught him up as well as niggling fitness issues. We need a younger version with Baines mentoring him.

RCM - I'm big on youth but feel that we need a superstar in central midfield. Davies can rotate in/out but i think we need a true powerhouse central midfielder.

AM - Basically, we need a superstar attacking midfielder/second striker/support forward to link with Barkley and Lukaku.

CF - Obviously we need someone who can rotate or back up Lukaku.


I dont think were far off now. 6 players more as a minimim and I think we have a Champions League quality side.

With TV money/player sales(see below) we could do it...now over to Walsh!

Outs
Jagielka
Kone
Mirallas
Lennon
Barry
Valencia
Stekelenburg
Mori
Garbutt

How far off do you think we are?

It is insane to kick everyone out at once. Mirallas is a useful player how can you kick him out I will give him an extension. We need a squad we have EL. Barry, Stekelenburg and Mori can stay as squad players/backup.

There are loads to get rid in the summer. Deulofeu, Kone, Lennon, Cleverley, Niasse, Tarashaj, Garbutt, McAleny, Rodriguez (good grief), McGeady.

We have to buy big names to show ambition and stand a chance of keeping Lukaku. One first choice GK, one first choice CB, one first choice playmaker. Another supporting striker to Lukaku if he stays after Valencia returns to West Ham. Then one of two more backup for Baines or utility man if there is enough cash.

Something like this...

GK: Perin? Hart? (no idea of who we shall go for) CB: Van Dijk AM: Sigurdsson FW: Rooney (small fee).
 
It is insane to kick everyone out at once. Mirallas is a useful player how can you kick him out I will give him an extension. We need a squad we have EL. Barry, Stekelenburg and Mori can stay as squad players/backup.

There are loads to get rid in the summer. Deulofeu, Kone, Lennon, Cleverley, Niasse, Tarashaj, Garbutt, McAleny, Rodriguez (good grief), McGeady.

We have to buy big names to show ambition and stand a chance of keeping Lukaku. One first choice GK, one first choice CB, one first choice playmaker. Another supporting striker to Lukaku if he stays after Valencia returns to West Ham. Then one of two more backup for Baines or utility man if there is enough cash.

Something like this...

GK: Perin? Hart? (no idea of who we shall go for) CB: Van Dijk AM: Sigurdsson FW: Rooney (small fee).

The positions you would strengthen GK/CB/AM/FW + backups are the same as i listed.

I wouldnt give Mirallas an extension because he is too inconsistent and we will play 2 AMs in this system...1 being Barkley and hopefully a super new signing. Then of course Lookman and bolasie when he returns make mirallas a 5th choice.

Others like barry/stek wont get a game...
 

The positions you would strengthen GK/CB/AM/FW + backups are the same as i listed.

I wouldnt give Mirallas an extension because he is too inconsistent and we will play 2 AMs in this system...1 being Barkley and hopefully a super new signing. Then of course Lookman and bolasie when he returns make mirallas a 5th choice.

Others like barry/stek wont get a game...

Bolasie won't fully recover till December/January. Lookman is raw. You do realise how many games we are going to have with EL? We need a bigger squad.

And you see the list above those players should be get rid of first because all of them could not get a game here so they have no future at the club. There are about 10/11 of them.
 
Bolasie won't fully recover till December/January. Lookman is raw. You do realise how many games we are going to have with EL? We need a bigger squad.

And you see the list above those players should be get rid of first because all of them could not get a game here so they have no future at the club. There are about 10/11 of them.

Well, of the below who is good enough to rotate into say Man City or Chelseas teams?

Jagielka
Kone
Mirallas
Lennon
Barry
Valencia
Stekelenburg
Mori
Garbutt
Tatashaj
Niasse
Cleverley
McAleny
McGeady
Browning
Pennington
etc etc

Id say none of them...
 
Well, of the below who is good enough to rotate into say Man City or Chelseas teams?

Jagielka
Kone
Mirallas
Lennon
Barry
Valencia
Stekelenburg
Mori
Garbutt
Tatashaj
Niasse
Cleverley
McAleny
McGeady
Browning
Pennington
etc etc

Id say none of them...

You answer your own question we aren't Man City and Chelsea.

I will keep Mirallas, Barry, Stekelenburg and Mori. PL and EL next season don't forget.
 
You answer your own question we aren't Man City and Chelsea.

I will keep Mirallas, Barry, Stekelenburg and Mori. PL and EL next season don't forget.

still too many players imo if we strengthen as i suggested in the OP + we have 11 subs there already...and more from the u23s who could come through...

If we want to be champions league contenders we need to compare our squad to chelsea and man citys...sure it wont be as good in terms of individuals but it may well become better...look at Monaco vs PSG this season...
 
This latest run of decent results suggests it isn't as far as it may have appeared around Christmas but it isn't that close either. Probably about 6 quality players and 2 seasons. So bye then Rom
 

still too many players imo if we strengthen as i suggested in the OP + we have 11 subs there already...and more from the u23s who could come through...

If we want to be champions league contenders we need to compare our squad to chelsea and man citys...sure it wont be as good in terms of individuals but it may well become better...look at Monaco vs PSG this season...

How?

(18) - Robles, Schneiderlin, Baines, Williams, Barkley, Lukaku, Mirallas, Bolasie, McCarthy, Gana, Barry, Stekelenburg, Coleman, Funes Mori, Davies, Calvert-Lewin, Holgate, Lookman.

Not sure on Browning and Pennington they might go out on loan again.

(4-6) - New players

You have a first team squad of 23 which is reasonable given the amount of games next season.

And getting rid of (14) Jagielka, Deulofeu, Kone, Lennon, Cleverley, Valencia, Besic, Niasse, Tarashaj, Galloway, Garbutt, McAleny, Rodriguez, McGeady.
 
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How?

(17) - Robles, Schneiderlin, Baines, Williams, Barkley, Lukaku, Mirallas, Bolasie, McCarthy, Gana, Barry, Stekelenburg, Coleman, Funes Mori, Davies, Holgate, Lookman.

Not sure on Browning and Pennington they might go out on loan again.

(4-6) - New players

You have a first team squad of 23 which is reasonable given the amount of games next season.

And getting rid of (14) Jagielka, Deulofeu, Kone, Lennon, Cleverley, Valencia, Besic, Niasse, Tarashaj, Galloway, Garbutt, McAleny, Rodriguez, McGeady.

First eleven
Coleman
Williams
Gana
Schneiderlin
Barkley
Lukaku

Rotation
Robles GK
Holgate RB/RCB
Galloway LB/LCB
Baines LB
McCarthy DM
Davies CM
Besic CM
Lookman AM
Deulofeu AM
Bolasie AM
Calvert-Lewin FW

+ 6 more

= 23 players
 
This latest run of decent results suggests it isn't as far as it may have appeared around Christmas but it isn't that close either. Probably about 6 quality players and 2 seasons. So bye then Rom

@degsy

I agree, new players needed + young players like Davies, Holgate and Lookman to continue improving.

However, look at the RS and Arsenal, they could drop off quite easily and their sides arent far superior to ours...
 
First eleven
Coleman
Williams
Gana
Schneiderlin
Barkley
Lukaku

Rotation
Robles GK
Holgate RB/RCB
Galloway LB/LCB
Baines LB
McCarthy DM
Davies CM
Besic CM
Lookman AM
Deulofeu AM
Bolasie AM
Calvert-Lewin FW

+ 6 more

= 23 players

I forgot DCL.

Deulofeu and Galloway. Get real do you think Koeman rates them? They will probably be sold soon. Besic is a sicknote like Gibson. Bolasie is on long term recovery and could miss half of season.
 

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