How can you not support the manager and still support the team?

allezlesbleus · January 1, 2017

bflefc said:
I agree pretty much.

I've seen NOTHING so far to suggest Koeman is anything other than Moyes mk II. His football is turgid and his in-game management virtually non-existent.

It's easy to say that he inherited an awful, ageing squad - he most certainly did. But that shouldn't mask the fact that his actions (or lack of) since arriving have done nothing to suggest he 'gets' Everton, or Everton will ever 'get' him.

He's done sod all to ignite any passion, recharge the club and the fan base or show anywhere near the level of passion, dynamism or aptitude to get this club moving again.

I deplore writing people off so prematurely, but Koeman just doesn't excite me in any way. He'looks be just as ineffective as the current OAPs and drifters within the squad.

It certainly goes against the grain to think we will never grow on him or that he will show a bit more passion for us but he just seems to be a guy passing through. Most of them are to a greater or lesser extent. It is their job rather than passion/obsession like it is for us and calling things as he sees them is probably better than everything is brilliant all the time. Just can't see him igniting potential new players with passion for the challenge since his manner seems so downbeat. Reminds me more of Smith in his manner than Moyes in fact because at first Moyes really seemed to think he had got a great gig and his stock was rising as he rebuilt us post Smith. He lost his way later on imo. But Koeman may well have a clear sense of how he is going to take us forwards which will emerge over the next few months which he is not banging in on about until he gets more of his players in. Maybe it is just doing what it takes to stabilise after two poor seasons prior to a serious push for better in the near future. Time will tell.....I just want to see the age of team go down, energy levels go up and us looking to keep the ball on the deck a bit more. I certainly do not dislike him and like that he has been trying to change things around a bit but he looks like a guy who was enticed by the promise of a short term chequebook way forward which had a wobbly start in the summer window....if transfer policy does not come off I don't see him gaining much enthusiasm for "the project". Fingers crossed though. Have to give time and be patient......

bignev23 · January 1, 2017

Dipping your head in boiling fat might work.

ijjysmith · January 1, 2017

Bryan said:
@ijjysmith first got me onto the this notion. I currently support neither the team or the fat headed useless manager

I support the manager fully but despise nearly every single first team player we have. Sadly.

Kiwi · January 1, 2017

I like the passion.
Not sure I agree with anything else though

Blue Cheese · January 1, 2017

5 minutes I'll never get back. Load of rubbish that is

ToffeeTim · January 1, 2017

Very easily.

I support Everton not Everton managers. If the manager let's down the club he let's down us and therefore can't be supported.

Mind you very much still hopeful about RK.

Tigger · January 1, 2017

njligernj said:
How can you not support the manager and support the team?

Walter Smith.

I bloody hated Walter Smith.

He wasn't good enough; a slap in the face after Kendall (ableit Kendall's Godfather 3 spell in charge).

Sacked in March 2002 -- just as I was returning to the UK for the first time in a decade with a chance to finally see my beloved blues in person again.

Two years later I'm singing "Champions league we're having a laugh" as Arsenal knock in their fifth or sixth ... David Moyes got us to the Champions League and was therefore responsible for a mantelpiece moment in my Everton life (not that horrible match obviously but the whole chase for 4th that season).

"4th isn't a trophy mate!"

It isn't? Thank god you're here I was so lost without you! It's my mantelpiece and since the first full Everton match I got to see was the 1985 Cup Final I have a LOT of room on my mantelpiece. I'm glad you filled yours up in the 60's and early 80's ... I look forward to buying it all at your estate sale.

If you're fighting relegation it seems simple: hope you win and then hope the crappy manager gets fired after you finish 17th.

I don't understand how you could have hated Moyes and not hate Koeman. The contrast in their reputation as players must blind people to the reality of them as managers.

I hate hating the Everton manager.

How did those of you who disliked Martinez or Moyes deal with the conflict?

Red Christmas tree having, Lukaku tapping upper, telling players there is no chance of us winning the leaguer ... oh he's just a straight talker. He seems to talk his way out of a job within a few years everywhere he works -- 9 jobs in 13 or so years of working as a manager ... and everywhere he goes they sing his praises non stop after he leaves!

See we have a new reality now. It doesn't matter what people do; it only matters if everyone's opposite did it first.

You know! Your opposite!

You don't have an opposite? Oh you have to get an opposite!

Donald Trump did (A) ... yeah but Hillary Clinton did (A) .. therefore it doesn't matter that Donald Trump did (A).

Get it?

Try again!

Ronald Koeman did (N) ... yeah but Martinez and Moyes (N)'d it up ... and now it doesn't matter that Koeman did (N).

Fly a plan over Goodison because we finished 11th and then call people knee-jerkers.

Moshiri's money seems dirty ... yeah but Chelsea and City's money is dirty ... and now it doesn't matter!

Just get yourself an opposite and then you every lousy, dirty, crappy thing you do is not your fault as long as your opposite did it first ... or even might do it in the future!

Moshiri keeps making mistakes ... like really basic mistakes ... mistakes that would worry me under almost any circumstances ... luckily he has an opposite! So he's got a decade at least where nobody can point out any issue with him as an owner without someone who learned to debate from Russian trolls saying "Bill Kenwright" back at them a thousand times as if that in any way impacts Moshiri.

(While Kenwright's past actions don't influence Moshiri his current thoughts do ... because Moshiri thinks he's smart and values his advice. So we're all going to be just fine.)

Let's talk about Everton!

"I think Koeman's problem is ..."

"MARTINEZ!"

"What? No I just think tactically I'm not seeing much from Koeman in regard to ..."

"MOYES!"

"Okay fine but surely Moshiri's recent comments about his undying admiration for Steven Gerrard gave you ..."

"KENWRIGHT!"

"Yeah you're right everything is great right now. We're playing some great football. Joy to watch."

"KOEMAN!"

Happy new year to you too :pint2:

Blue Cheese · January 1, 2017

ToffeeTim said:
Very easily.

I support Everton not Everton managers. If the manager let's down the club he let's down us and therefore can't be supported.

Mind you very much still hopeful about RK.

This really.

Woolly Blue · January 1, 2017

njligernj said:
How can you not support the manager and support the team?

Walter Smith.

I bloody hated Walter Smith.

He wasn't good enough; a slap in the face after Kendall (ableit Kendall's Godfather 3 spell in charge).

Sacked in March 2002 -- just as I was returning to the UK for the first time in a decade with a chance to finally see my beloved blues in person again.

Two years later I'm singing "Champions league we're having a laugh" as Arsenal knock in their fifth or sixth ... David Moyes got us to the Champions League and was therefore responsible for a mantelpiece moment in my Everton life (not that horrible match obviously but the whole chase for 4th that season).

"4th isn't a trophy mate!"

It isn't? Thank god you're here I was so lost without you! It's my mantelpiece and since the first full Everton match I got to see was the 1985 Cup Final I have a LOT of room on my mantelpiece. I'm glad you filled yours up in the 60's and early 80's ... I look forward to buying it all at your estate sale.

If you're fighting relegation it seems simple: hope you win and then hope the crappy manager gets fired after you finish 17th.

I don't understand how you could have hated Moyes and not hate Koeman. The contrast in their reputation as players must blind people to the reality of them as managers.

I hate hating the Everton manager.

How did those of you who disliked Martinez or Moyes deal with the conflict?

Red Christmas tree having, Lukaku tapping upper, telling players there is no chance of us winning the leaguer ... oh he's just a straight talker. He seems to talk his way out of a job within a few years everywhere he works -- 9 jobs in 13 or so years of working as a manager ... and everywhere he goes they sing his praises non stop after he leaves!

See we have a new reality now. It doesn't matter what people do; it only matters if everyone's opposite did it first.

You know! Your opposite!

You don't have an opposite? Oh you have to get an opposite!

Donald Trump did (A) ... yeah but Hillary Clinton did (A) .. therefore it doesn't matter that Donald Trump did (A).

Get it?

Try again!

Ronald Koeman did (N) ... yeah but Martinez and Moyes (N)'d it up ... and now it doesn't matter that Koeman did (N).

Fly a plan over Goodison because we finished 11th and then call people knee-jerkers.

Moshiri's money seems dirty ... yeah but Chelsea and City's money is dirty ... and now it doesn't matter!

Just get yourself an opposite and then you every lousy, dirty, crappy thing you do is not your fault as long as your opposite did it first ... or even might do it in the future!

Moshiri keeps making mistakes ... like really basic mistakes ... mistakes that would worry me under almost any circumstances ... luckily he has an opposite! So he's got a decade at least where nobody can point out any issue with him as an owner without someone who learned to debate from Russian trolls saying "Bill Kenwright" back at them a thousand times as if that in any way impacts Moshiri.

(While Kenwright's past actions don't influence Moshiri his current thoughts do ... because Moshiri thinks he's smart and values his advice. So we're all going to be just fine.)

Let's talk about Everton!

"I think Koeman's problem is ..."

"MARTINEZ!"

"What? No I just think tactically I'm not seeing much from Koeman in regard to ..."

"MOYES!"

"Okay fine but surely Moshiri's recent comments about his undying admiration for Steven Gerrard gave you ..."

"KENWRIGHT!"

"Yeah you're right everything is great right now. We're playing some great football. Joy to watch."

"KOEMAN!"

I understood the title, but struggled a bit with the post itself to understand what was going on.

Someone once told me "It's impossible to underestimate the intelligence of your audience. Always assume they're thick and you're unlikely to be wrong", which was excellent advice.

But, to answer the question in the title, it's very easy, I've done just that when Smith and Walker were in charge and did it again in the latter stages of the Martinez era.

Mikey_Fitzgerald · January 2, 2017

It's quite easy really

You can hate on a manager all you want, but during the 90 minutes you want Everton to win because you love them. You can then go back to hating the manager afterwards

Pretty straightforward

BigDunc'sFod · January 2, 2017

Modern poetry

Shibbywiggles · January 2, 2017

ijjysmith said:
I support the manager fully but despise nearly every single first team player we have. Sadly.

I hadn't realised that I felt that way... damn. I haven't hated so many of our own players... ever? Even in the nineties at least they gave a damn.

OP was weird, Koeman is doing ok so far, way too early to judge him and certainly he can't be judged until he's had a couple of transfer windows to sort out the mess he inherited.