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toffeestillidie

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So the Obama / McCain thread got me thinking...

the healthcare debate is a pretty important one in the U.S., as we're the only industrialized nation not to have socialized medicine. critics often site Canada and Britain as examples of why social medicine doesn't work.

so i just wanted to hear it straight from the horses mouth, is social medicine for your brits as bad as conservative americans claim it is? are the waiting lines that bad, or is would any of you say its a necessary sacrifice for the welfare of the nation?
 

Its not as bad as its made out. I also know quite a bit about socialised health care in Cuba, which is a very big success.

I dont know a great deal but as an outsider looking in I just find it immoral that the big drug companies are making huge profits and lots of Americans cant afford medical cover. The thing that strikes me when watching CNN is that nearly every advert is for a form of medicine, its unbelievable.

I know from working with Canadians that the vast majority wouldnt change socialised health care in their country (I write this from Montreal).

That all points to it being the way forward but something I cant see happening in the US for the forseeable future.
 
I blame Ged and his over blown homo goats.



(random posts incurred, beware future episodes)
 

chicoazul said:
Its not as bad as its made out. I also know quite a bit about socialised health care in Cuba, which is a very big success.

I dont know a great deal but as an outsider looking in I just find it immoral that the big drug companies are making huge profits and lots of Americans cant afford medical cover. The thing that strikes me when watching CNN is that nearly every advert is for a form of medicine, its unbelievable.

I know from working with Canadians that the vast majority wouldnt change socialised health care in their country (I write this from Montreal).

That all points to it being the way forward but something I cant see happening in the US for the forseeable future.
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great thats what i figured. i tell people about the drug adverts all the time as an example of our big pharmaceutical is raping the US, the reason our healthcare costs are so high is that so much money is being spent convincing people that they're sick.

with my job i had to talk to people alot about healthcare, and you wouldn't believe the amount of times i'd heard "it's not working in canada / england", when the people hadn't even been there.
 
Rudolph Gulliani had a dig at it a while back to promote the virtues of private medical care. It simply wasnt true.

Socialised health care is not perfect, no system is, but I prefer it to the US version. Pleased you picked up on the adverts as I was agog at it. Somethings clearly wrong there.

Healthcare can be much like the weather, we like to moan about it and the media know it sells stories so they have an over reactive approach to it. Pretty much the way of the modern media at the moment. The staff who work in the NHS deserve all the credit they can get, they do a fantastic job.
 

Time to watch "Get Smart". Watch over the roost ged. Time for my additions. /cough
 
in good ol GB its usually only the bad/sad stories that make it to the public conscience (if there is even one left now) - the postcode lottery makes the news weekly, last week it was the story of certain pain killers being refused to all cancer sufferers due to cost vs benefit.

taking on board your point about the pharmaceutical companies, and then going off on a tangent, the chinese dont respect international patents, so why not get them to mass produce all the drugs everyone needs and say 'balls' to the drug companies that are prepared to let people die in what can only be described as a calculated and malevolent agenda.


some lyrics :-

"Why is marijuana not legal? Why is marijuana not legal?
It's a natural plant that grows in the dirt.
Do you know what's not natural?
80 year old dudes with hard-ons. That's not natural.
But we got pills for that.
We're dedicating all our medical resources to keeping the old guys erect,
but we're putting people in jail for something that grows in the dirt?

You know we have more prescription drugs now.
Every commercial that comes on TV is a prescription drug ad.
I can't watch TV for four minutes without thinking I have five serious diseases.
Like: "Do you ever wake up tired in the morning?"
Oh my god I have this, write this down. Whatever it is, I have it.
Half the time I don't even know what the commercial is:
people running in fields or flying kites or swimming in the ocean.
I'm like that is the greatest disease ever. How do you get that?
That disease comes with a hot chick and a puppy."

some youtube :-

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G33WvuOw2cI[/media]

we had a fantastic [Poor language removed] up in britain about 8 months ago where medical graduates promised positions in the nhs were told when they came for their jobs that there were none. so a lot have since taken their skills to AUS and the US. i cant say how much the country contributed towards educating those people, but the sheer galling incompetence of not finding places for the best to stay and contribute to the system here is mind boggling.

Also, private health care here is on the increase in a BIG way.
 

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