Has Fellaini really got a £22m buyout clause in his contract ?

[Essex Blue]

Sorry, had to stop reading there.

I'm not meaning to condescend, but that sentence is horsesh*t of the highest order and I just can't be arsed responding to nonsense today.

Well that's funny, because you're clearly the biggest provider of horsesh*it in this thread. Presenting statistics on tackling when we are discussing Fellaini's inability to track runners.

And for your information, his contract was running down and we hadn't received any bids for him. He didn't sign his new contract because he loves Everton, he signed because it looked like the best offer on the table at the time. If a deal from Chelsea was on the cards then he wouldn't have signed a new contract.

 

[Tubey]

Well that's funny, because you're clearly the biggest provider of horsesh*it in this thread. Presenting statistics on tackling when we are discussing Fellaini's inability to track runners.

And for your information, his contract was running down and we hadn't received any bids for him. He didn't sign his new contract because he loves Everton, he signed because it looked like the best offer on the table at the time.

OK mate, whatever, I just imagined the massive amount of interest and the nervousness towards the end of 2011 when we were all hoping beyond hope he'd sign because of interest from Chelsea and United, hinted by his dad repeatedly and various media sources.

Yeah, nobody was interested in Marouane Fellaini and he's played as a striker his entire career because he's no good in defensive midfield. Despite his team mates and Moyes repeatedly raving about him in that role.

Yeah, I'm talking horsesh*t.

The massive hype and confidence in realising a fee of circa 25million has only come about since he has been deployed in a more advanced position. Anyone buying him as a central midfielder is in for a shock, because he is useless at tracking runners.

My point is that he is crap at tracking runners, and therefore not a very good central midfielder, never mind a defensive midfielder.

If I could post a picture of horsesh*t right now, I would.

 

[Joao Moutinho]

It makes no logical or business sense for him to have a clause like that. Our club is failing thanks to the money grabbing c*nts that run it and you think they are going to let our most saleable asset go for 7m more than we paid for him and considering that we owe 25% of that profit to Standard, so we'd only make about 5m on him. Do you see it? Me neither.

 

[Essex Blue]

OK mate, whatever, I just imagined the massive amount of interest and the nervousness towards the end of 2011 when we were all hoping beyond hope he'd sign because of interest from Chelsea and United, hinted by his dad repeatedly and various media sources.

Yeah, nobody was interested in Marouane Fellaini and he's played as a striker his entire career because he's no good in defensive midfield. Despite his team mates and Moyes repeatedly raving about him in that role.

Yeah, I'm talking horsesh*t.

Yes, yes you are.

You're saying that his dad (lol) was privy to interest from Chelsea and Man United, yet he decided to jib both of them off and sign for Everton, because he loves them.

Get real. If Fellaini knew that Chelsea or Man United were due to bid for him, then he wouldn't have signed a new contract.

And please, stop acting as if a few compliments from Osman or Moyes, immediately after Fellaini has had a good game, somehow validates your opinion. All it shows is that he had a good game, there are loads of threads were people are presenting their opinion after he has had a crap game, and they aren't complimentary.

 

[Bert1985]

No chance would we agree to anything like that.

 

[Tubey]

Yes, yes you are.

You're saying that his dad (lol) was privy to interest from Chelsea and Man United, yet he decided to jib both of them off and sign for Everton, because he loves them.

Get real. If Fellaini knew that Chelsea or Man United were due to bid for him, then he wouldn't have signed a new contract.

And please, stop acting as if a few compliments from Osman or Moyes, immediately after Fellaini has had a good game, somehow validates your opinion. All it shows is that he had a good game, there are loads of threads were people are presenting their opinion after he has had a crap game, and they aren't complimentary.

And you know that how? I'm fairly sure he's not pushing for a move right now, and there's definitely interest, so what's changed?

You're talking nonsense - I just read back through the thread and noticed your brother was banned over this issue or something, so maybe that's clouding your judgement, but if you genuinely think Fellaini is "not a good central midfielder" then there's no helping you.

The way you're talking, it's like Fellaini was useless and disregarded as a footballer until around June 2012 when he started playing as a second striker. That is pure and utter horsesh*t, there's no politer way to describe it. There's an absolute bucketload of stats to prove why that isn't the case on the other page, but I get the feeling you're one of those people who will rigidly stick to a view no matter what the actual evidence is.

He's played as a central midfielder and a defensive midfielder non-stop at Everton, other than a two month spell alongside Cahil; early in his time here (when he was moved back to midfield by Moyes) and for the past 10 months. That's fact. And he's excelled in central midfield. Another fact.

I really can't be arsed, the two quotes below speak for themselves, keep believing your nonsense.

The massive hype and confidence in realising a fee of circa 25million has only come about since he has been deployed in a more advanced position. Anyone buying him as a central midfielder is in for a shock, because he is useless at tracking runners.

My point is that he is crap at tracking runners, and therefore not a very good central midfielder, never mind a defensive midfielder.

More evidence for you:

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/ever...-liverpool-fc-and-everton-fc-100252-31433953/

"Not a very good central midfielder, never mind a defensive midfielder"... Jesus wept.

 

[Essex Blue]

And you know that how? I'm fairly sure he's not pushing for a move right now, and there's definitely interest, so what's changed?

You're talking nonsense - I just read back through the thread and noticed your brother was banned over this issue or something, so maybe that's clouding your judgement, but if you genuinely think Fellaini is "not a good central midfielder" then there's no helping you.

The way you're talking, it's like Fellaini was useless and disregarded as a footballer until around June 2012 when he started playing as a second striker. That is pure and utter horsesh*t, there's no politer way to describe it. There's an absolute bucketload of stats to prove why that isn't the case on the other page, but I get the feeling you're one of those people who will rigidly stick to a view no matter what the actual evidence is.

He's played as a central midfielder and a defensive midfielder non-stop at Everton, other than a two month spell alongside Cahil; early in his time here (when he was moved back to midfield by Moyes) and for the past 10 months. That's fact. And he's excelled in central midfield. Another fact.

I really can't be arsed, the two quotes below speak for themselves, keep believing your nonsense.

You are chatting absolute crap, mate.

If you think Fellaini and his dad (LOL) decided to forgo a transfer to Chelsea or United in order to stay at Everton, at a time when we were totally sh*te and hadn't bought a single first team player in about 2 years, then you are clearly insane! Please, why don't you inform us of Fellaini's reasoning when he decided to jib off Chelsea and Man United in favour of Everton?

There were no bids in the pipeline, and his best offer came from a club that hadn't signed a first team player in two years, so he signed it. I think you are incredibly naive to think Fellaini was turning down more lucrative offers to stay at Everton. It's a bit childish actually.

Your stats prove FECK ALL, mate. If you paid attention to your stats, Lee Cattermole must be one of the best midfielders in the country Come back to me when you have a stat for tracking runners!

You're clearly blinded by his absolutely fabulous perm, but people who know what they are talking about, like Joe Royle, know that he is dodgy from a defensive perspective. And anyone who actually thinks that he is a great defensive midfielder, then please, get a grip!

 

[jrj]

You are chatting absolute crap, mate.

If you think Fellaini and his dad (LOL) decided to forgo a transfer to Chelsea or United in order to stay at Everton, at a time when we were totally sh*te and hadn't bought a single first team player in about 2 years, then you are clearly insane! Please, why don't you inform us of Fellaini's reasoning when he decided to jib off Chelsea and Man United in favour of Everton?

There were no bids in the pipeline, and his best offer came from a club that hadn't signed a first team player in two years, so he signed it. I think you are incredibly naive to think Fellaini was turning down more lucrative offers to stay at Everton. It's a bit childish actually.

Your stats prove FECK ALL, mate. If you paid attention to your stats, Lee Cattermole must be one of the best midfielders in the country Come back to me when you have a stat for tracking runners!

You're clearly blinded by his absolutely fabulous perm, but people who know what they are talking about, like Joe Royle, know that he is dodgy from a defensive perspective. And anyone who actually thinks that he is a great defensive midfielder, then please, get a grip!

Maybe not a firm bid but their was some interest for him, and tbh felli had a great season as a centre mid for us the other year, most successful tackles too?

 

[Allezfan]

Maybe not a firm bid but their was some interest for him, and tbh felli had a great season as a centre mid for us the other year, most successful tackles too?

He did. But he was playing in front of Arteta/Gibson/Neville/Heitinga.

He can play as the central player in a midfield three and as the most forward one. But he can't play as the deepest lying of a midfield three which is what people keep wanting him to.

 

[Essex Blue]

More evidence for you:

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/ever...-liverpool-fc-and-everton-fc-100252-31433953/

"Not a very good central midfielder, never mind a defensive midfielder"... Jesus wept.

Can I ask you what you think this proves?

I've tried to explain to you that making a tackle or an interception is completely different to tracking a runner, but you seem totally incapable of grasping this.

There is an awful lot more to central midfield play than tackling. Positioning and creativity are just as important, and Fellaini isn't very good at either of them.

Anyone who is expecting a bid of more than 25 million is likely to be disappointed. He is closer to Duncan Ferguson than he is to Patrick Viera, and that's a compliment and not an insult.

 

[Pabbers]

He did. But he was playing in front of Arteta/Gibson/Neville/Heitinga.

He can play as the central player in a midfield three and as the most forward one. But he can't play as the deepest lying of a midfield three which is what people keep wanting him to.

Do they ??

I thought people want him WITH Gibson, having the more free role, like Ossy.

I see him as a MC in Footy man terms, box to box.

 

[steken1]

He is awful at tracking runners and holding his position. He doesn't have anything like the discipline of Gibson.

He is a great marauding CM though. He covers massive amounts of ground, dominates aerially and gets a lot of tackles in. His two best games(city&chelsea) were both played as an orthodox CM.

 

[efc1878efc]

I want curly hair too

 

[pfim]

He switches off too much to play in front of the back four. Been obvious for years. He's better in a more advanced role or box to box with someone like Gibson playing behind him.

 

[Allezfan]

Do they ??

I thought people want him WITH Gibson, having the more free role, like Ossy.

I see him as a MC in Footy man terms, box to box.

I like him where he is but I'd be happy to see him play with Gibson, too.

The problem is when we played neville there a lot of people wanted fellaini and osman together and in the best ever/best possible xis threads you get people playing Fellaini and Silva or Fellaini and Arteta, which I think misunderstands Fellaini's role.

When we actually played Fellaini and Arteta together it was a disaster. Because Mikel had to stay deep to cover for Felli's runs forward and so he couldn't get into games, because his natural style then relied on being able to get forward the way Osman currently does. It's no coincidence that Fellaini's best perfomances as a central midfielder have been alongside a much more positionally disciplined player like Rodwell, Gibson or Neville.

My go to comparison is Pirlo and Gattuso. Gattuso was the destroyer but he often played in front of the creater. Which is how Fellaini and Gibson would work as a pairing. Gibson would be both defensive and creative with Fellaini both forward and destructive.