Goals on Sunday

davek · February 5, 2017

ianefc said:

Nice interview. He says a lot of very complimentary things about the club and this is to be commended.

hktoffee · February 5, 2017

ianefc said:

That is not convincing at all because this is an opinion of a person who can't setup a defence.

Eggsyblueskin · February 5, 2017

Kever10 said:
The crowd turned nasty because the crowd is generally angry, negative and impatient unless everything goes our way all the time. It's that passion that makes playing at Goodison such a difficult place to play, for away teams when things are going well, and for home teams when things aren't.

My only argument in defence of Martinez is the players should take a bigger proportion of the blame for what happened last year, and that his entire reign shouldn't be reduced to "he was lucky in the 1st year and most of the credit goes to Moyes, and everything after that was [Poor language removed] and his fault" . All I suggest is a more reasoned, balanced view, and with some consideration to mitigating circumstances.

The end result is the same either way, he lost his job and we are where we are.

All part of the Greater plan, if you believe in such things.

He lost the support of the fans then he lost the faith of the players. This doesn't happen if you are a successful manager. He failed and his time as Everton manager will be remembered as a failure. Rightly so.

catcherintherye · February 5, 2017

davek said:
Nice interview. He says a lot of very complimentary things about the club and this is to be commended.

You are right and quite an honest reflection on his time too. It all ended badly and it's a shame the last 10 games went as they did as I'm not sure it's a fair reflection of the good and bad of the previous 2 & 1/2 years.

It's nice to hear him speak well of the club though. I remember Royle saying we were unique as ex managers come back as fans of the club more so than other teams. In time I'd like to think we can see the good Martinez did and accept in the end he was probably just too nice a man to get us up the league.

Duncan Disordely · February 5, 2017

This tells a story..

davek · February 5, 2017

Eggsyblueskin said:
He lost the support of the fans then he lost the faith of the players. This doesn't happen if you are a successful manager. He failed and his time as Everton manager will be remembered as a failure. Rightly so.

No, that's not true. He was here 3 seasons and took us to an excellent first season PL record points total and to Wembley.

That's not failure in three seasons. Is it great? No. Not for this club. And you can be sure those standards will be maintained going froward.

davek · February 5, 2017

catcherintherye said:
You are right and quite an honest reflection on his time too. It all ended badly and it's a shame the last 10 games went as they did as I'm not sure it's a fair reflection of the good and bad of the previous 2 & 1/2 years.

It's nice to hear him speak well of the club though. I remember Royle saying we were unique as ex managers come back as fans of the club more so than other teams. In time I'd like to think we can see the good Martinez did and accept in the end he was probably just too nice a man to get us up the league.

I think and hope so too mate. He;s been a winner elsewhere and almost got us over the CL spots line and cup final line too. I think Belgium are in good hands given they emphasise attack. He;s just what they require in fact. I shall be hoping along with others he goes a long way in the in the WC

Verbal Kint · February 5, 2017

Basil Fawlty

Chimpy Glassman · February 5, 2017

davek said:
Nice interview. He says a lot of very complimentary things about the club and this is to be commended.

You utter pawing beanbag. He was bemoaning having no money and saying we're no better now than we were under him.
You need to calm down your leader worship, it's downright kopite.

bluestevon · February 5, 2017

Kever10 said:
You think not performing to the best of your ability, not putting in the effort required, in the name of getting someone you don't like the opinion of, but is hired as your superior, is the professional thing to do?

OK, cool.

Says more about your opinions than it does mine.

Also, funny you mention Leicester. Because they are going through a similar thing now. Only further proves how circumstances, form and confidence can have a positive and/or negative impact on a team, and that it's not all just about tactics and and substitutions.

Thing is mate, isnt that a bit well wrogn for a better word, Leicester loss the key player in there side in Kante and on top of that, well tactics are playing a huge part, everyone underrated them last seasomn and played for want of a better word, stupid tactics against there system, this year they are the champions and teams are going in looking to get there scalp and are prepared for what they are gonna be playing like.

nsno-chris · February 5, 2017

davek said:
No, that's not true. He was here 3 seasons and took us to an excellent first season PL record points total and to Wembley.

That's not failure in three seasons. Is it great? No. Not for this club. And you can be sure those standards will be maintained going froward.

Please refrain from stating Wembley as an achievement. He got to a semi final

And he's still a wham spouting whopper

Jreverton1 · February 5, 2017

davek said:
No, that's not true. He was here 3 seasons and took us to an excellent first season PL record points total and to Wembley.

That's not failure in three seasons. Is it great? No. Not for this club. And you can be sure those standards will be maintained going froward.

Not sure what this is, but I agree with you it's not great but if anything we are on the right track and we will win a trophy soon...I hope.

bicycleheader · February 5, 2017

I definitely dont think he is a manager that deserves some of the derision and slating that he gets on here.

He had his faults for sure but there is a strong context there of some absolutely dreadful performances by normally solid professionals and then the difficulty in getting the Goodison crowd onside when they've started to turn.

I think to judge him on the majority of last season doesnt really reflect his actual level as the mood was poisonous. It was an impossible situation. I'd say he knew he was on borrowed time from xmas on. I'd judge him more on the first two seasons which kind of cancel each other out and leave him as being just an OK Everton manager but not deserving of some of the silly hatred.

However football fans love a simple narrative so its easier to just shout about his lucky first season due to Moyes defense and that then everything after that was all down to him.

davek · February 5, 2017

Jreverton1 said:
Not sure what this is, but I agree with you it's not great but if anything we are on the right track and we will win a trophy soon...I hope.

We have high standards and they wont be corrupted (to pinch one of their bellend war cries). Win something or get us into the CL or you are toast.