ExpatinBangkok
Player Valuation: £6m
Worrying reports in twitter that he may leave. With bolaise injured we need him-we can't be relying on lookman or c. Lewis as regular starting players as its too much of a gamble with the young-uns.
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If he does want out, it has to be the summer at the earliest
We're so light on attacking options at the minute that we just can't afford to lose him at this current moment
He can give us another 5 months at the very least
We're so light on attacking options at the minute that we just can't afford to lose him at this current moment
He can give us another 5 months at the very least
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
lol
Fanciful.
bluestevon
Player Valuation: £80m
Express Story Dave
Southampton boss Ronald Koeman BLASTS foul-mouthed Man United signing Memphis Depay
SOUTHAMPTON manager Ronald Koeman has criticised new Manchester United signing Memphis Depay for his foul language and inconsistency.
By IZZY HORSEFIELD
PUBLISHED: 11:13, Sun, Jun 21, 2015 | UPDATED: 11:22, Sun, Jun 21,
The Dutch youngster has joined Manchester United in a £25million move from PSV Eindhoven, however, Koeman believes they have overpaid for the unpredictable 21-year-old.
“I think they paid a lot of money," he told the Sunday Mirror.
“Because it is United, where they already spent £200m on players like Angel Di Maria, such a big figure is put in perspective.
“He won’t play every game. I have learnt, while I am here in England, that Dutch players can’t make the jump to the top of the Premier League easily. And young players can’t play 38 games anyway.
“And I see another lack of quality with the Dutch kids, that I have also noticed with other young stars in the Premier League: they don’t communicate! They behave like individuals. Stuck to their smartphones."
The Saints boss has been tracking Depay for the last five years but was unimpressed by his attitude on and off the pitch.
Ronald Koeman has criticised Memphis Depay for his attitude on and off the pitch
It was absolutely disgusting, the foul language that boy used towards his fellow players and towards people in the crowd
He said: “I watched the young Memphis Depay often enough. I was doing scouting work on him when he was playing in the Under-16 side for PSV Eindhoven, and there was this game against FC Twente.
“I always work with a list of five specific qualities: skills, tactics, physique, attitude, personality. I did not get any higher with my average ratings than 5.6 out of 10.
“And you know what brought the rating down most of all? The rating for his personality.
“It is only because of the fact that I could not go any lower than zero out of 10, otherwise I would have rated him well below that.
“It was absolutely disgusting, the foul language that boy used towards his fellow players and towards people in the crowd."
Koeman has admitted that Southampton did try to sign Depay last year, however he knew that once United came knocking, the south-coast side had no chance.
The Original Story in the Mirror that the Express based their article upon
Manchester United warned £25m buy Memphis Depay has a bad attitude and lacks consistency
Southampton boss Ronald Koeman says the 21-year-old can't do it week-in week-out and top Dutch scout Henk Grim labels his on-pitch behaviour "disgusting"
- BILL MILLS
- 22:30, 20 JUN 2015
- UPDATED08:18, 21 JUN 2015
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Manchester United new boy Memphis Depay is a major gamble – and comes with a health warning.
And the man tipped to light up Old Trafford next season could also become the Premier League’s next pantomime villain.
Southampton manager Ronald Koeman has said that Man United have overpaid for a youngster who will not be able to play every week – and a top Dutch scout has also given a damning insight into the 21-year-old's personality.
Wide-man Depay 's talent is undoubted, but it seems United could have a player with the personalities of Liverpool’s Mario Balotelli and Raheem Sterling rolled into one on their hands if things turn bad.
He has moved to Old Trafford in a £25million switch from PSV Eindhoven, and Koeman - who was the Dutch club's coach when Depay was a youth player there - said: “I think they paid a lot of money.
"Because it is United, where they already spent £200m on players like Angel Di Maria, such a big figure is put in perspective.
"If you pay millions for Di Maria who hardly plays, if you pay a fortune in wages and rent fee for [on-loan] Radamel Falcao who NEVER plays, than £25m is not a lot of money for them…
“He won’t play every game. I have learnt, while I am here in England, that Dutch players can’t make the jump to the top of the Premier League easily. And young players can’t play 38 games anyway.
“And I see another lack of quality with the Dutch kids, that I have also noticed with other young stars in the Premier League: they don’t communicate! They behave like individuals. Stuck to their smartphones.’’
Koeman is not the only man to sense difficulties for Depay, as influential talent spotter Henk Grim also has doubts over the 21-year-old.
Grim is one of the master scouts in Dutch football, who has been tracking Depay over the past five years.
He said: “I watched the young Memphis Depay often enough. I was doing scouting work on him when he was playing in the Under-16 side for PSV Eindhoven, and there was this game against FC Twente.
“I always work with a list of five specific qualities: skills, tactics, physique, attitude, personality. I did not get any higher with my average ratings than 5.6 out of 10.
"And you know what brought the rating down most of all? The rating for his personality. It is only because of the fact that I could not go any lower than zero out of 10, otherwise I would have rated him well below that.
“It was absolutely disgusting, the foul language that boy used towards his fellow players and towards people in the crowd.
Despite the warning, Koeman admits he DID try to get Depay himself last year.
He hoped the Dutch connection could convince him to move to St Mary’s, but the deal failed to come off.
Koeman explained: “My brother Erwin has the same agent, we tried to bring him to Southampton but he wanted to stay for one more year at PSV.
“When United went in for him this summer, we knew at Saints that we had no chance. When they come, we have no chance.’’
And despite the fears over how Depay will settle in England, Koeman reckons he may have the perfect boss to guide him.
He said: “I think, with Louis van Gaal, he gets a coach who he knows . It makes it easier to settle.’’
- “I understand a boy can be in a period of having to grow up. With the intensive personal coaching at PSV Eindhoven they have managed to make an okay player of him.’’
bluestevon
Player Valuation: £80m
Not really Dave, it's very easy to track source articles and see how things have been altered or changed in order to generate more clicks by papers trying to spin the story
kenada_blue
Welcome to Barcelonaton FC
So...No Depay then? Good
bluestevon
Player Valuation: £80m
Standing by this post then Dave?
bluestevon
Player Valuation: £80m
To make it a lot easier for you @davek
Will seperate who said what
Koeman said
"Because it is United, where they already spent £200m on players like Angel Di Maria, such a big figure is put in perspective.
"If you pay millions for Di Maria who hardly plays, if you pay a fortune in wages and rent fee for [on-loan] Radamel Falcao who NEVER plays, than £25m is not a lot of money for them…
“He won’t play every game. I have learnt, while I am here in England, that Dutch players can’t make the jump to the top of the Premier League easily. And young players can’t play 38 games anyway.
“And I see another lack of quality with the Dutch kids, that I have also noticed with other young stars in the Premier League: they don’t communicate! They behave like individuals. Stuck to their smartphones.’’
Despite the warning, Koeman admits he DID try to get Depay himself last year.
He hoped the Dutch connection could convince him to move to St Mary’s, but the deal failed to come off.
Koeman explained: “My brother Erwin has the same agent, we tried to bring him to Southampton but he wanted to stay for one more year at PS
“When United went in for him this summer, we knew at Saints that we had no chance. When they come, we have no chance.’’
And despite the fears over how Depay will settle in England, Koeman reckons he may have the perfect boss to guide him.
He said: “I think, with Louis van Gaal, he gets a coach who he knows . It makes it easier to settle.’’
“I understand a boy can be in a period of having to grow up. With the intensive personal coaching at PSV Eindhoven they have managed to make an okay player of him.’’
Grim said
Grim is one of the master scouts in Dutch football, who has been tracking Depay over the past five years.
He said: “I watched the young Memphis Depay often enough. I was doing scouting work on him when he was playing in the Under-16 side for PSV Eindhoven, and there was this game against FC Twente.
“I always work with a list of five specific qualities: skills, tactics, physique, attitude, personality. I did not get any higher with my average ratings than 5.6 out of 10.
"And you know what brought the rating down most of all? The rating for his personality. It is only because of the fact that I could not go any lower than zero out of 10, otherwise I would have rated him well below that.
“It was absolutely disgusting, the foul language that boy used towards his fellow players and towards people in the crowd.
So yeah want to tell me again that the Express didn't substantially edit, alter and lie in there article to paint it as Koeman saying it all?
Will seperate who said what
Koeman said
"Because it is United, where they already spent £200m on players like Angel Di Maria, such a big figure is put in perspective.
"If you pay millions for Di Maria who hardly plays, if you pay a fortune in wages and rent fee for [on-loan] Radamel Falcao who NEVER plays, than £25m is not a lot of money for them…
“He won’t play every game. I have learnt, while I am here in England, that Dutch players can’t make the jump to the top of the Premier League easily. And young players can’t play 38 games anyway.
“And I see another lack of quality with the Dutch kids, that I have also noticed with other young stars in the Premier League: they don’t communicate! They behave like individuals. Stuck to their smartphones.’’
Despite the warning, Koeman admits he DID try to get Depay himself last year.
He hoped the Dutch connection could convince him to move to St Mary’s, but the deal failed to come off.
Koeman explained: “My brother Erwin has the same agent, we tried to bring him to Southampton but he wanted to stay for one more year at PS
“When United went in for him this summer, we knew at Saints that we had no chance. When they come, we have no chance.’’
And despite the fears over how Depay will settle in England, Koeman reckons he may have the perfect boss to guide him.
He said: “I think, with Louis van Gaal, he gets a coach who he knows . It makes it easier to settle.’’
“I understand a boy can be in a period of having to grow up. With the intensive personal coaching at PSV Eindhoven they have managed to make an okay player of him.’’
Grim said
Grim is one of the master scouts in Dutch football, who has been tracking Depay over the past five years.
He said: “I watched the young Memphis Depay often enough. I was doing scouting work on him when he was playing in the Under-16 side for PSV Eindhoven, and there was this game against FC Twente.
“I always work with a list of five specific qualities: skills, tactics, physique, attitude, personality. I did not get any higher with my average ratings than 5.6 out of 10.
"And you know what brought the rating down most of all? The rating for his personality. It is only because of the fact that I could not go any lower than zero out of 10, otherwise I would have rated him well below that.
“It was absolutely disgusting, the foul language that boy used towards his fellow players and towards people in the crowd.
So yeah want to tell me again that the Express didn't substantially edit, alter and lie in there article to paint it as Koeman saying it all?
Gold.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
FFS mate, stop digging. Even in the Mirror story it states Koeman believes United overpaid badly for Depay and that he's inconsistent and indisciplined.
There's literally no way out for Koeman on those words uttered. He tried to buy the lad originally, got knocked back then tore his character and ability apart in the English press.
bag a yoko
Player Valuation: £10m
Why would someone use decimals in a rating out of ten? Thats just a rating out of 100.
I think @bluestevon could have at least bought @davek a drink before buggering him senseless.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
Completely.
The two reports are very much the same in terms of how Koeman presented Depay's character and ability and the overspend United made.
There's no wriggling out of that. Not one bit of it.
AndyC
Player Valuation: £70m
@davek @bluestevon
Please take the Depay chat to the Depay thread, this is off-topic in the Deulofeu thread.
Thanks.
Please take the Depay chat to the Depay thread, this is off-topic in the Deulofeu thread.
Thanks.
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