Formation Change?

[ToffeeBlueNose]

Nor was I. Just saying, why change when we're the better team in nearly every game we play?

I kind of agree we should stick it out until our injuries are back but it's not working for 50% of most matches and he doesn't change until it's too late and it seems no matter what he will stick by his formation come hell and high water.

That seems to be a gripe for a lot of fans his tactical decision making at times is just out right poor.

 

[Get_Jo_On]

That's not a bloody formation that's just numbers, meaningless numbers! A three tier midfield? Interesting. Why do people put so much on the formation?! It's the players, the tactics, the off the ball movement and awareness. Nothing to do with numbers most of it. I mean do Barca play 4-3-3? Or mostly 2-1-2-3 or is it 2-1-4-1 or 2-1-5? I mean seriously, just numbers.

 

[ToffeeBlueNose]

That's not a bloody formation that's just numbers, meaningless numbers! A three tier midfield? Interesting. Why do people put so much on the formation?! It's the players, the tactics, the off the ball movement and awareness. Nothing to do with numbers most of it. I mean do Barca play 4-3-3? Or mostly 2-1-2-3 or is it 2-1-4-1 or 2-1-5? I mean seriously, just numbers.

Formations are crucial you can't just say right lads get on the pitch play where you want can you lol

 

[wandyr79]

Do you guys notice we are getting picked apart in the midfield? Especially late in games, it seems like our midfield is being muscled off the pitch. I've always been a fan of a 3-6-1 and if deployed correctly, can be a potentially stifling formation(for opposing teams). Do you guys think a formation change should be in order and if so, what? Who would you deploy?
3-6-1
Howard
Jagielka Heitinga Distin
Fellaini Gibson
Mirallas Pienaar Baines
Osman
Jelavic

The left would be fine as Baines can naturally track back, Mirallas would not be as comfortable.

There is a big chance that Fellaini and/or Gibson would have to make sure they are covering the full back areas and therefore nullifying their influence in the middle of the park.

I am not a big fan of 3 at the back with wing backs never mind the unbalanced nature of what you have put. It is working for the odd team here and there but it would not work with our players in my opinion.

 

[Ihaters]

I kind of agree we should stick it out until our injuries are back but it's not working for 50% of most matches and he doesn't change until it's too late and it seems no matter what he will stick by his formation come hell and high water.

That seems to be a gripe for a lot of fans his tactical decision making at times is just out right poor.

I know what your saying but in all honesty I have to disagree. I think it is working and without stupid lapses from our defense and some unbelievable decisions by the refs we would be a hell of a lot more points ahead. We are playing great football and no change in formation is going to stop a daft lapse in concentration imo.
His tactics have been good this season, however he added a defender and we conceded last minute.. he then kept with the team we had and we conceded last minute a couple of games later.. I would say the copmmon demoninator there is not the manager but the players lapsing in the last couple of minutes. You could I suppose apportion blame to the manager for not getting in their heads enough for them to put in a full 90 minute shift but there is a limit to what a manager can do.
Tactics are irrelevent to a lot of the goals we are conceding imo, specifically the set pieces which are responsible for a high quantity of our goals conceded, at the other end we are getting a huge amount of chances. Current stat going around places us in the very top tier of chances made in Europe over the corse of the year.. This is not something that I would want to change to be honest.

 

[toffeejack]

Do you guys notice we are getting picked apart in the midfield? Especially late in games, it seems like our midfield is being muscled off the pitch. I've always been a fan of a 3-6-1 and if deployed correctly, can be a potentially stifling formation(for opposing teams). Do you guys think a formation change should be in order and if so, what? Who would you deploy?
3-6-1
Howard
Jagielka Heitinga Distin
Fellaini Gibson
Mirallas Pienaar Baines
Osman
Jelavic

looks like a wedding cake with all those layers. No problems with the formation really, virtually all our goals conceded have come from set pieces so that has nothing to do with the formation. Let's be honest, howard hasn't been having to make save after save this season, whilst we've been creating chances galore. Just a couple of injuries and an off form striker. It will turn around eventually, we couldn't be absolutely immense for the full 38 games

 

[Get_Jo_On]

Formations are crucial you can't just say right lads get on the pitch play where you want can you lol

Obviously but people put so much on it around here it's ridiculous. Like, the starter saying the formation doesn't work play 3-6-1. Clearly flawed logic as already explained by other members. What I'm saying is look away from the numbers sometimes as Barca play 4-3-3 but they don't at the same time. Very rarely you'll glance at the pitch and it's 4-3-3 in lines. It's about working hard, knowing your job, communication etc I mean we supposely play a sort of 4-2-3-1 style but with the way Baines plays with Pienaar you can't really say he's part of the 4 at the back most of the time, so that formation doesn't say 3-2-4-1 but that is more the way we've actually played. Also if Felli is pushing higher sometimes he's as far up as Jela so It's 3-2-3-2. See, just numbers mate.

 

[ToffeeBlueNose]

I know what your saying but in all honesty I have to disagree. I think it is working and without stupid lapses from our defense and some unbelievable decisions by the refs we would be a hell of a lot more points ahead. We are playing great football and no change in formation is going to stop a daft lapse in concentration imo.
His tactics have been good this season, however he added a defender and we conceded last minute.. he then kept with the team we had and we conceded last minute a couple of games later.. I would say the copmmon demoninator there is not the manager but the players lapsing in the last couple of minutes. You could I suppose apportion blame to the manager for not getting in their heads enough for them to put in a full 90 minute shift but there is a limit to what a manager can do.
Tactics are irrelevent to a lot of the goals we are conceding imo, specifically the set pieces which are responsible for a high quantity of our goals conceded, at the other end we are getting a huge amount of chances. Current stat going around places us in the very top tier of chances made in Europe over the corse of the year.. This is not something that I would want to change to be honest.

who's to blame for the players emerging after half time like they have been up all night with some dodgy munter who just give them a knee trembler. Moyes is failing to motivate the team correctly and he is also responsible for us sitting on a 1-0 lead instead of going for the jugular .

 

[ToffeeBlueNose]

Obviously but people put so much on it around here it's ridiculous. Like, the starter saying the formation doesn't work play 3-6-1. Clearly flawed logic as already explained by other members. What I'm saying is look away from the numbers sometimes as Barca play 4-3-3 but they don't at the same time. Very rarely you'll glance at the pitch and it's 4-3-3 in lines. It's about working hard, knowing your job, communication etc I mean we supposely play a sort of 4-2-3-1 style but with the way Baines plays with Pienaar you can't really say he's part of the 4 at the back most of the time, so that formation doesn't say 3-2-4-1 but that is more the way we've actually played. Also if Felli is pushing higher sometimes he's as far up as Jela so It's 3-2-3-2. See, just numbers mate.

you can't really compare us with barca they can afford to have interchangeability anf fluid movement because they have world class players all over the pitch and a certain lionel messi who has the freedom of the pitch.

We have to drill our players to play as a solid team and to do that they need to know positions.

 

[Get_Jo_On]

I'm just pointing out its knowing your job and keeping your head on it. It's not all about the formation; it's how you adapt to certain situations. The poster says our midfield maybe gets over run but people moan we never play 4-4-2? So we have 5 men in midfield theoretically, yes? So why are we getting over run?! Not moving quickly enough back? Pushing too far forward? The full back not being covered, creating space in the channels other teams can exploit, moving our centre mids wide thus creating pockets of space inbetween? Does that mean we should be a silly 3-6-1 formation to sort that? No.

 

[ToffeeBlueNose]

I'm just pointing out its knowing your job and keeping your head on it. It's not all about the formation; it's how you adapt to certain situations. The poster says our midfield maybe gets over run but people moan we never play 4-4-2? So we have 5 men in midfield theoretically, yes? So why are we getting over run?! Not moving quickly enough back? Pushing too far forward? The full back not being covered, creating space in the channels other teams can exploit, moving our centre mids wide thus creating pockets of space inbetween? Does that mean we should be a silly 3-6-1 formation to sort that? No.

i would say neville and ossie in the middle had something to do with it, although i personally think ossie is playing pretty well but he's not a defensive mid or anchor man that's left to neville who let's be honest isn't and never has been a centre midfielder.

I didn't say we should adapt 3-6-1 it's ludicrous but you can't say changing formation can't change the dynamic of a game because i have to disagree completely.

 

[Get_Jo_On]

Oh don't get me wrong, I didn't mean to suggest you wanted to play 3-6-1. Of course formations change games but they are just numbers there's a lot more important things involved is all I wanted to point out. Like you said, maybe Neville is a problem? Maybe the formation isn't at fault as much as the people doing or not doing their jobs?

 

[Don_Johnson]

Potentially stifling and your a big fan???

From what ??? Footy manager....

There's nothing wrong with our formation. Some of the players deployed in it are not pulling there weight or due to some crucial injuries we have some average players in the setup.

Everybody keeps talking about that game, can't find it at gamestop or walmart. I like the 3-6-1. My favorite J league team uses it to great success(Sanfrecce Hiroshima). I played Sweeper back in High school and our team used it, went undefeated for 2 years straight and won 2 state championships. Not saying a Premier League team can use it but, I think we should think outside the box for once. We have Creative, multi talented players, and with the proper coaching, and trial, I can't see it not working out for the better. My coach in high school was amazing(Welsh Guy), he was hired 2 weeks before school, at first we were very defensive but(1 or 2 goals a game if lucky), but after a couple months in the formation and chemistry being developed, we were the most dominant team in the state.

 

[Summerskin]

8 at the back please Moyes.

 

[PeterMeter]

who's to blame for the players emerging after half time like they have been up all night with some dodgy munter who just give them a knee trembler. Moyes is failing to motivate the team correctly and he is also responsible for us sitting on a 1-0 lead instead of going for the jugular .

Can't really say we haven't gone for it because it's not like we've scored 1-0 from the first and only chance we have and then sit back. It's the angst that comes with not being able to dominate the game as the steam of our absolutely glorious first 30 mins peters out. Italian teams were known for years and years for their ability to consistently pull out 1-0 wins not just because they'd cede momentum and just sit back. It's done with keeping the ball in possession and making sure your comfortably in position the few times the opposition takes the ball. There's no mentality saying we're in control even when we're 1-0 up and still bombing forward and somehow not scoring. Maybe we just need to pace ourselves better. Maybe, as I believe, it's because we still see ourselves as an underdog punching above our weight. Something which seems endorsed by many fans trying to soften the blow of a great team with unrealized potential.

We're 5th, not because results of teams around us have been going for us, because clearly from most people watching the games we have not been getting results where we should have, but because we have a team that's looking exceedingly good when in possession.