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Don't ask me, I've been larking around Lewisham for the last few hours.

I actually do vote Conservative though.

Not a member of Facebook I should add, not today, and not tomorrow.

So cameron is a clown, probably a few of them around.

ass clowns I'd call them, Channel 504, see for yourselves. :mellow:
 


Bruce Wayne said:
What influence does the government have on the kind of work you can do?
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well if you have trained for 5 years to do a job, then it's highly unlikely that you can expect to earn the same by taking an unskilled one, unfortunately spending more time learning another job/trade is not something that is financially viable.
i suppose i could just sit back and let the taxpayers look after my family while i do a degree via the open university to fiddle the system, but then i could do my best to provide for them, so that they don't grow up without a pot to piss in.

we've been here before bruce, yes you made sacrifices to gain quals. for a better career but sadly that option isn't available to all of us, i was never able to do that because my family weren't able to assist me financially, my dad was out working 7 days a week struggling to pay for what he had provided me with during childhood (a nice home etc etc).

btw, yes i do hold the conservatives responsible for the situation that i found myself in, i worked at an M.O.D. establishment that the government sold to bae for a penny (may have been a pound) to cover what they owed them for the Falklands War. if that hadn't happened then i would have been a civil servant with a generous income and a nice pension to look forward to, but unfortunately when bae took over they shut the majority of the places and gave the work to their guys, when around 3,000 end up on the dole in your area (majority skilled) then it kind of limits your options. i 'got on my bike' as was suggested and then when i decided i wanted to return, they had the gaul to say "why should we give you anything, you chose to leave the country, you didn't want to live here any more".


unless of course you are talking about a job that requires 2 days of training or a couple of months ? maybe if your job goes you will be happy to pick stuff in a warehouse for the rest of your working life, with the income that that will give you.
 
Just saying Reidy that these are choices we make as individuals. We do what we think is best for ourselves and our family. I initially trained in IT and it would be easy to blame the government for not protecting the homegrown industry from cut price competition in other countries, but no one does that do they? To be honest I wouldn't want them to.

I'm talking generally here but many people I meet have been to uni and think thats there education done with, then act surprised when their job is outsourced to a country where people will go that extra inch for a lot less money. It's a competitive world out there.

You can't rely on the government for bugger all, whoever is in charge. All you can do is give yourself the very best odds of succeeding by trying bloody hard. When I was first training I worked in some schools as an IT technician and you could see the kids that dossed about and blew the 'free' education that was being gifted them. I go back now and very few of them have made anything of their life. No doubt most will vote Labour because Labour give the best welfare payments and look after the poor working class. Sod that. If those kids had worked their arse off at school and suffered bad luck then fair enough, but they're where they are through lazyness, nothing more.

All this government does this or that is a cop out. Its like fat people that blame McDonalds for making them fat. You're responsible for you. No one else. If the government or whoever happen to make things a bit harder for you, then you try harder. No one said life was easy, and it sounds like you've done just that Reidy. You rolled your sleeves up and got on with things.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
Just saying Reidy that these are choices we make as individuals. We do what we think is best for ourselves and our family. I initially trained in IT and it would be easy to blame the government for not protecting the homegrown industry from cut price competition in other countries, but no one does that do they? To be honest I wouldn't want them to.

I'm talking generally here but many people I meet have been to uni and think thats there education done with, then act surprised when their job is outsourced to a country where people will go that extra inch for a lot less money. It's a competitive world out there.

You can't rely on the government for bugger all, whoever is in charge. All you can do is give yourself the very best odds of succeeding by trying bloody hard. When I was first training I worked in some schools as an IT technician and you could see the kids that dossed about and blew the 'free' education that was being gifted them. I go back now and very few of them have made anything of their life. No doubt most will vote Labour because Labour give the best welfare payments and look after the poor working class. Sod that. If those kids had worked their arse off at school and suffered bad luck then fair enough, but they're where they are through lazyness, nothing more.

All this government does this or that is a cop out. Its like fat people that blame McDonalds for making them fat. You're responsible for you. No one else. If the government or whoever happen to make things a bit harder for you, then you try harder. No one said life was easy, and it sounds like you've done just that Reidy. You rolled your sleeves up and got on with things.
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