Financial Fair Play and Everton.

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Great, easy to understand write up from EB.

But it seems that whatever regulations are put in, not a lot will change as they have already found loop holes that allow a 'buy now' policy due to their 'grace' period upto 2018.

2018!!! That's like forever away.

Business as usual for us I suppose.
 
Aye, the rich will always find a way of keeping the cards turned firmly in their favour.

You'll start seeing silly fees being paid on 16 year olds now. Mind you, French footballers have been doing that for a while.
 
But we will still be skint right? Still no money to spend due to the fact we make bugger all and no chance of any rich man giving us some money?

And our hopefully best way of doing well of bringing kids through looks less likely as the bigger teams know they can't splash the cash on finished products so just pay more to steal our kids?

Can't see it really making any difference to us cause we will still be left behind other clubs.

But enough about talking about Everton on an Everton forum, can someone please bore us to death telling us about Villa?
 
I just dont understand where he comes up with this rosy conclusion:

"The legislation should mean that in the long term there is more of a chance of use competing at the top table of the divison and potentially Europe, replacing the current scenario where even the more optimistic Blues know 6-7th place is as good as its going to get."

It doesn't follow from the main body of text he argues the pros and cons to Everton in this new system.

The biggest drawback is, as identified, the academy. Bringing talent through and buying cheapish kids from elsewhere has been Everton's modus operendi. The tightening up of spending on big transfers will squeeze us. We've had it all our own way on Merseyside as LFC have blown hundreds of millions on crap players. They'll now start trawling our waters - as will other regional power-houses.

At best we stand still under this Financial Fairplay.
 

davek said:
I just dont understand where he comes up with this rosy conclusion:

"The legislation should mean that in the long term there is more of a chance of use competing at the top table of the divison and potentially Europe, replacing the current scenario where even the more optimistic Blues know 6-7th place is as good as its going to get."

It doesn't follow from the main body of text he argues the pros and cons to Everton in this new system.

The biggest drawback is, as identified, the academy. Bringing talent through and buying cheapish kids from elsewhere has been Everton's modus operendi. The tightening up of spending on big transfers will squeeze us. We've had it all our own way on Merseyside as LFC have blown hundreds of millions on crap players. They'll now start trawling our waters - as will other regional power-houses.

At best we stand still under this Financial Fairplay.
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I agree with Dave, if it doesn't stop the spending on academies and stadia, then that will basically lead to larger, wealthier clubs spending money on youngsters and basically taking any decent youngster of value, which will basically mean things will stay the same in the years to come, if things stay as they are. It will happen because the current crop will need replacing at some stage.
 
SweetJesus849 said:
I agree with Dave, if it doesn't stop the spending on academies and stadia, then that will basically lead to larger, wealthier clubs spending money on youngsters and basically taking any decent youngster of value, which will basically mean things will stay the same in the years to come, if things stay as they are. It will happen because the current crop will need replacing at some stage.
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Exactly mate. Two areas we need: bringing through talent (now threatened by competition) and increasing revenue from the stadium (not a chance this side of any economic recovery when you're looking for enablers).

We lose.
 
davek said:
Exactly mate. Two areas we need: bringing through talent (now threatened by competition) and increasing revenue from the stadium (not a chance this side of any economic recovery when you're looking for enablers).

We lose.
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Now is the time to salvage something from what we've got basically. Get rid of the players who are there simply to make up the numbers, sell them on for a lower price if needs be, and replace them with players who can either do a job from elsewhere or from the academy. It's basically the only chance we've got in my books.

There seems to be more deadweight on this squad since Lescott left for some reason and we've done nothing to try and get rid of it.
 
Strange. The first TEB article I disagree with. Davek nailed it quite frankly, and that's before you discuss how inevitable it is that the FFP will be watered down before 2018.
 
All that will happen is that the big boys will now swallow up all the YOUNGER talent on LONGER contracts - e.g. Jack Rodwell on a 6 year contract amortising at (say) £21M/6 years - £3.5M per annum costs - instead of (say) a Darren Bent £19M (rising to £24M) over 4.5 years at £5.3M per annum. You wouldn't give a (near) 26 year old a 6 year contract anyway. In addition the younger players will have more sell-on value. This will in turn reduce the value of older players in the market. Eventually the clubs who are producing good young talented players from their Academies (Everton?) will benefit more.
 

ToffeeDan said:
All that will happen is that the big boys will now swallow up all the YOUNGER talent on LONGER contracts - e.g. Jack Rodwell on a 6 year contract amortising at (say) £21M/6 years - £3.5M per annum costs - instead of (say) a Darren Bent £19M (rising to £24M) over 4.5 years at £5.3M per annum. You wouldn't give a (near) 26 year old a 6 year contract anyway. In addition the younger players will have more sell-on value. This will in turn reduce the value of older players in the market. Eventually the clubs who are producing good young talented players from their Academies (Everton?) will benefit more.
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Explain how, when we'll be reduced to producing little or nothing for ourselves and be stuck with hand-me-downs.
 
SweetJesus849 said:
Now is the time to salvage something from what we've got basically. Get rid of the players who are there simply to make up the numbers, sell them on for a lower price if needs be, and replace them with players who can either do a job from elsewhere or from the academy. It's basically the only chance we've got in my books.

There seems to be more deadweight on this squad since Lescott left for some reason and we've done nothing to try and get rid of it.
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Sounds great...

...of course until one considers that if we sell Bily, Yak, Yobo, and (insert "deadweight" players name here), that the amount we'd get would be barely enough to buy one player much less two to "upgrade" the squad.

And naturally there will be clubs beating down our doors to get rid of this "deadweight" and for top dollar.

Meanwhile, back in the real world...
 
TX Bill said:
Sounds great...

...of course until one considers that if we sell Bily, Yak, Yobo, and (insert "deadweight" players name here), that the amount we'd get would be barely enough to buy one player much less two to "upgrade" the squad.

And naturally there will be clubs beating down our doors to get rid of this "deadweight" and for top dollar.

Meanwhile, back in the real world...
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Which is of course, the only problem. However I still have faith in Moyes' bargain hunting. Or we could of course sell someone such as Rodwell, who would bring in a large amount of money.

It's basically rebuilding.
 
Just to book the trend of the sheepness pesamissim, maybe we are a little bit ahead of the game here, havent we focussed on our academy for a few years now, between developing our own and recruiting players.
 
Neiler said:
Just to book the trend of the sheepness pesamissim, maybe we are a little bit ahead of the game here, havent we focussed on our academy for a few years now, between developing our own and recruiting players.
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But isnt the point that the teams with the money can scout the pool and attract the better youth, something the fair play rules allow teams to do?

Chelsea have spent 70million on their youth development apparantly. Might not have produced on the pitch due to a owner who wants finished articles on the pitch trying to win things. But when he cant do that, the money and facilities to bag these young players is in place, stripping ours. Before Rodders signed pro, he couldve signed for Chelsea who offered him a million quid town house etc....now, there's no stopping clubs doing that under those rules (or have I missed that?) as it wont effect their bottom line.

Same with Arsenal, United, and Liverpool (as theyre now changing their trend post-Waiter).

Just like transfer of players, young players will be more sort after so more poaching of kids and more talanted kids will go to the bigger clubs, the rest get to dregs or get lucky.

We can recruit all day...but is it going to change the hierarchy? Seems to me it will stay the same for us, sticking mid-table
 

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