No. That is self inflicted so they get no sympathy from me
Ferguson
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The fire rises
Chelsea did it to them.
Again though, look at the immediate outrage even though it's clear the guy literally asked for it. It's not the fault of the police if a guy with a knife does something like, especially in a strange country where all police are armed. In the UK, the police would have analysed before acting, backing off, calling more people in and neutralising the situation in a non-lethal way.
Extremely sad, but highlights the issue and why eyewitness accounts can be subject to massive bias.
Extremely sad, but highlights the issue and why eyewitness accounts can be subject to massive bias.
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They shot him 9 times. What happened to warning shots or tazers/pepper spray?
The problem is "black empowerment" is often synonymous with being anti-white, so it's not the promotion of black people completely, rather it is diluted with the denigration of whites.
That's where the conflict occurs most when it comes to this matter, and why the likes of Jesse Jackson are as damaging as they are helpful.
I personally find pro-black movements very much diluted forms of the black power movement rather than a cause that are striving for equality.
Oh I know, don't get me started on US usage of firearms, it's just ridiculous and a reason a situation like that occurs.
In fact, in this instance, that's WAY more of a reason than the fact it was a guy who happened to be black. As I said, in the UK, the guy lives.
But what I'm saying here is that in a country where it's common knowledge every cop is armed, then it's the fault of the guy shot if he decides to run at a cop with a knife and yell "shoot me."
In the UK most police do not carry guns and therefore don't have many practical alternatives to backing off when faced with someone wielding a knife. You're not making a like-for-like comparison.
However let's not fall into the trap of thinking that the British Police never shoot anyone when they feel threatened. Jean Charles De Menzes and Mark Saunders both spring to mind.
I am making a like for like comparison - they were street cops who shot this fella dead; in the UK, they would not be armed, so would have handled the situation differently.
The two cases you point too were handled by Terrorism units and a specialist marksmen unit respectively.
You're criticising armed police for shooting someone threatening them with a knife, on the basis that unarmed police in the same situation would have done otherwise. That's about as far away from like-for-like as I can envisage.
Both Police units. Both ended with a dead civilian. According to your logic above, unarmed Police would have dealt with both situations better as per your earlier post.... although in both cases unarmed Police made way for backup, the backup was armed and the civilian was killed.
Actually, tasers would have been used as they wouldn't have put themselves in a situation of harm immediately by driving up to the guy - like in the case of Raoul Moat for example - but anyway, to make the point it was like for like...
US street cops = UK street cops.
See? Like for like. It doesn't matter what they equip, I'm comparing like for like as they do the same actual job.
Utter nonsense. You're deliberately ignoring the fact that one carries a firearm as standard and the other does not.
Well, that's the actual comparison!!!
I've said as much - indeed that's the whole point - "in the UK, they would not be armed..."
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