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Race is the predominant issue though, that's the point. Not sure why you want to deny this.

Technically, no one should be shot in the head for having run away and turned round and allegedly gone to rugby tackle the loveable fluffy gunman covered in rainbows. Black, white or any other way it can be differentiated.
Technically, no one should be shot dead by glorified neighbourhood watch when said jobsworth was told specifically not to approach the soon to be dead individual. Black, white or any other way it can be differentiated.
Technically, a 12 year old in a playground ought not to be gunned down in cold blood because he was holding an imitation weapon. Black, white or any other way it can be differentiated.
A swarm of 4 loveable fluffy, bunny rabbited eyed, never do harm to a fly, charitable, church going, better than christ, uniform wearing chaps ought never to choke a man to death on the street, despite his dying pleas. Black, white or any other way it can be differentiated.

In these four cases, the most armed victim was the 12 year old boy on the playground with the replica gun.
In these four cases the dead victim was a black male.

2 white guys did the shooting, 1 white guy did the throttling to death, 1 hispanic neighborhood watchman gunned down the 17 year old he was told not to approach.

"O say can you see by the dawn's early light,
What so proudly we hailed at the twilight's last gleaming,
Whose broad stripes and bright stars through the perilous fight,
O'er the ramparts we watched, were so gallantly streaming?
And the rockets' red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there;
O say does that star-spangled banner yet wave,
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?"

Land of the free, home of the brave (well, the Indian braves were cut down by the white man well before said white man started importing black peoples in - gotta have someone against whom they have a right to bare arms)

Don't go to America, don't buy American, Leave them to it.

[I hasten to add, when a similar sort of bunch to that we have in the UK that have decided to go and shoot troops in Syria and Iraq get together in the US and start to glean retribution on US soil, the massacres, the bloodbaths, the sheer contempt for life that begins at Americas top table and flows downward to its footsoldiers of prejudice that follows will be akin to the war crimes committed by US forces in Vietnam]
 

Race is the predominant issue though, that's the point. Not sure why you want to deny this.

For me, it is not the predominant issue on the issues I discuss above. We all have our individual perspective.

Race is an emotional topic that distracts people from the kinds of issues I address above. Tribalism will be the death of us all.

What happened the last time white folks started acting like a tribe? Ovens, mate. Lots and lots of death. Pure madness.

What we see today in Syria and what used to be Iraq is pure tribalism. Death. Madness.

Tribalism is pure evil. Don't pick the scab. It is not the wise path.
 
Technically, no one should be shot in the head for having run away and turned round and allegedly gone to rugby tackle the loveable fluffy gunman covered in rainbows. Black, white or any other way it can be differentiated.
Technically, no one should be shot dead by glorified neighbourhood watch when said jobsworth was told specifically not to approach the soon to be dead individual. Black, white or any other way it can be differentiated.
Technically, a 12 year old in a playground ought not to be gunned down in cold blood because he was holding an imitation weapon. Black, white or any other way it can be differentiated.
A swarm of 4 loveable fluffy, bunny rabbited eyed, never do harm to a fly, charitable, church going, better than christ, uniform wearing chaps ought never to choke a man to death on the street, despite his dying pleas. Black, white or any other way it can be differentiated.

In these four cases, the most armed victim was the 12 year old boy on the playground with the replica gun.
In these four cases the dead victim was a black male.

2 white guys did the shooting, 1 white guy did the throttling to death, 1 hispanic neighborhood watchman gunned down the 17 year old he was told not to approach.

"O say can you see by the dawn's early light,
What so proudly we hailed at the twilight's last gleaming,
Whose broad stripes and bright stars through the perilous fight,
O'er the ramparts we watched, were so gallantly streaming?
And the rockets' red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there;
O say does that star-spangled banner yet wave,
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?"

Land of the free, home of the brave (well, the Indian braves were cut down by the white man well before said white man started importing black peoples in - gotta have someone against whom they have a right to bare arms)

Don't go to America, don't buy American, Leave them to it.

[I hasten to add, when a similar sort of bunch to that we have in the UK that have decided to go and shoot troops in Syria and Iraq get together in the US and start to glean retribution on US soil, the massacres, the bloodbaths, the sheer contempt for life that begins at Americas top table and flows downward to its footsoldiers of prejudice that follows will be akin to the war crimes committed by US forces in Vietnam]
Sounds like you can't wait.
 
Sounds like you can't wait.

The pendulum swings both ways, but as and when it does go that way, only one side are armed to the teeth, only one very rich and very white minority have the possibility of sending in the national guard.
Maybe it'll take the government at that moment a similar amount of time along the lines of how long it took for a Tory scum government to address and apologise for the orders given for the murders on Bloody Sunday.

For instance.

I cant wait for justice to be done, theres a lot of people in the same boat, but justice expected versus justice whats in the post are to be very very different things. The bloke throttled to death on the street pinned by 4 uniforms mother said it pretty darn well earlier today.

Still, minority lives ay mate? Had it coming, do nothing wrong and nothing to fear right? Ever read the Diary of Anne Frank?
 
The pendulum swings both ways, but as and when it does go that way, only one side are armed to the teeth, only one very rich and very white minority have the possibility of sending in the national guard.
Maybe it'll take the government at that moment a similar amount of time along the lines of how long it took for a Tory scum government to address and apologise for the orders given for the murders on Bloody Sunday.

For instance.

I cant wait for justice to be done, theres a lot of people in the same boat, but justice expected versus justice whats in the post are to be very very different things. The bloke throttled to death on the street pinned by 4 uniforms mother said it pretty darn well earlier today.

Still, minority lives ay mate? Had it coming, do nothing wrong and nothing to fear right? Ever read the Diary of Anne Frank?

Please. Do you really want to pretend you know what my beliefs are? Did you really read what I typed? This discussion is over.

Never used ignore until now.
 

Please. Do you really want to pretend you know what my beliefs are? Did you really read what I typed? This discussion is over.

Never used ignore until now.

Good.

Someone quote me to precious pants above....

"When was the last time a black cop turned up and sprayed a white man all over the sidewalk?"
 
[I hasten to add, when a similar sort of bunch to that we have in the UK that have decided to go and shoot troops in Syria and Iraq get together in the US and start to glean retribution on US soil, the massacres, the bloodbaths, the sheer contempt for life that begins at Americas top table and flows downward to its footsoldiers of prejudice that follows will be akin to the war crimes committed by US forces in Vietnam]

5 days.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-30404147

I fear the Lee Rigby killing could be the first in a line of 'reprisals'. Will only hasten the arming of more police on UK streets.
 
Have we heard from Chris Rock yet on this thread?

""Here’s the thing. When we talk about race relations in America or racial progress, it’s all nonsense. There are no race relations. White people were crazy. Now they’re not as crazy. To say that black people have made progress would be to say they deserve what happened to them before.

So, to say Obama is progress is saying that he’s the first black person that is qualified to be president. That’s not black progress. That’s white progress. There’s been black people qualified to be president for hundreds of years. If you saw Tina Turner and Ike having a lovely breakfast over there, would you say their relationship’s improved? Some people would. But a smart person would go, “Oh, he stopped punching her in the face.” It’s not up to her. Ike and Tina Turner’s relationship has nothing to do with Tina Turner. Nothing. It just doesn’t.

The question is, you know, my kids are smart, educated, beautiful, polite children. There have been smart, educated, beautiful, polite black children for hundreds of years. The advantage that my children have is that my children are encountering the nicest white people that America has ever produced. Let’s hope America keeps producing nicer white people."

Amen.
 

So like all police are scum after a black person gets shot by police surely the opposite is true now?

No? Thought not. Hate seeing anti-police stuff as a blanket statement. I've got a couple of friends that are cops and they're both great lads, one being godparent to my kids. But then again I'm up north where people have higher IQs and full sets of teeth.
 

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