Fellaini CM

[toffeejack]

Way too much of

going on today.

That aside him playing up there should only ever have been temporary, no surprise he's getting pissed off with it.

use to think the same but he's impressed me so much up top this season i gave moyes the benefit of the doubt. Like you and many others said, he should have not been played high up the pitch today. I said we should start with it and see how it goes. After 15 mins it was obvious this ploy wasn't going to work. How moyes can be so blind to some situations considering he's a football manager is beyond me. we had a few other alternatives available as well. Think he probs should have been subbed because it was like pienaar vs QPR again where you thought a red card was coming, so our manager should have seen this as well. The fact he punched shawcross again means moyes got lucky he didn't get sent off.

bad day all round really, we did well not to loose. hard to think of a positive from that match

 

[tim cahill]

'Kin el, shame we've not got your technical genius at the helm lad.

p.s. he's been a revelation in that position this season & is amongst the pl top scorers FFS

Agree with you generally, but it was a poor decision to play him there against Stoke. We were never going to be able to beat them in the air or bully their CB's.

 

[Brennan]

'Kin el, shame we've not got your technical genius at the helm lad.

p.s. he's been a revelation in that position this season & is amongst the pl top scorers FFS

Don't be a f***ing tit lad, nobody is saying they're a tactical genius. I clearly pointed out that it was this THREAD not simply my opinion which reflected the performance displayed by Fellaini today. There were plenty who realised Fellaini's short temper coupled with a load of grock defenders would lead to him being locked out of the game. It's only by chance that he wasn't red carded.

Who cares if he's been 'a revelation' behind Jelavic if that role doesn't suit the game we're playing ? At the end of the day he's not that sort of player, and never will be. He clearly doesn't relish playing up there which was evident from his performance today, he's much better suited to playing further back and i can bet anybody that if he does go to another club he won't be playing behind Torres, or whoever.

It's frustrating because a lot of people predicted this would happen, and when it did Moyes did nothing to change it, even with 30 minutes left when we couldn't get close to their goal.

 

[Tubey]

Don't be a f***ing tit lad, nobody is saying they're a tactical genius. I clearly pointed out that it was this THREAD not simply my opinion which reflected the performance displayed by Fellaini today. There were plenty who realised Fellaini's short temper coupled with a load of grock defenders would lead to him being locked out of the game. It's only by chance that he wasn't red carded.

Who cares if he's been 'a revelation' behind Jelavic if that role doesn't suit the game we're playing ? At the end of the day he's not that sort of player, and never will be. He clearly doesn't relish playing up there which was evident from his performance today, he's much better suited to playing further back and i can bet anybody that if he does go to another club he won't be playing behind Torres, or whoever.

It's frustrating because a lot of people predicted this would happen, and when it did Moyes did nothing to change it, even with 30 minutes left when we couldn't get close to their goal.

Indeed.

http://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/t...-Everton-15th-Dec-15-00?p=1625055#post1625055

Not just me, loads of people, like you say. It doesn't make us tactical geniuses and nobody is claiming as such; but it's common sense when the player himself prefers playing somewhere else.

Basically, this image sums it up:

 

[Brennan]

Indeed.

http://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/t...-Everton-15th-Dec-15-00?p=1625055#post1625055

Not just me, loads of people, like you say. It doesn't make us tactical geniuses and nobody is claiming as such; but it's common sense when the player himself prefers playing somewhere else.

Basically, this image sums it up:

It's like watching the same crap movie on repeat with Moyes sometimes. Vellios getting ready for about 10 minutes only to never even get on the pitch was an absolute pisstake, the lad should have been on from about the 70th minute. Jelavic was getting absolutely no joy, totally isolated.

 

[Tubey]

To add, this guy...

Did well up front for a few months; that didn't mean he was all of a sudden a natural striker.

Fellaini is a world class box to box midfielder. We're wasting his best assets by pinning up top next to grock defenders so we can lump the ball to him. It's "Plan B" at best.

 

[Stend]

Don't be a f***ing tit lad, nobody is saying they're a tactical genius. I clearly pointed out that it was this THREAD not simply my opinion which reflected the performance displayed by Fellaini today. There were plenty who realised Fellaini's short temper coupled with a load of grock defenders would lead to him being locked out of the game. It's only by chance that he wasn't red carded.

Who cares if he's been 'a revelation' behind Jelavic if that role doesn't suit the game we're playing ? At the end of the day he's not that sort of player, and never will be. He clearly doesn't relish playing up there which was evident from his performance today, he's much better suited to playing further back and i can bet anybody that if he does go to another club he won't be playing behind Torres, or whoever.

It's frustrating because a lot of people predicted this would happen, and when it did Moyes did nothing to change it, even with 30 minutes left when we couldn't get close to their goal.

100% with you on this mate. Just because hes scored a few doesnt mean its working for the team. You're spot in mate.

 

[Brennan]

100% with you on this mate. Just because hes scored a few doesnt mean its working for the team. You're spot in mate.

Nice one.

It's not even a case of never playing him there, not for me anyway. I certainly wouldn't be worried if i saw the team sheet and he was playing there now and again, but Fellaini or any player of his type playing the role of a second striker is not the way forward for a team who want CL football.

 

[CahillsCornerFlag]

I just find it painful that every other PL manager knows you need a creative player in the hole except for Moyes. Its THE most important position these days, and we've gone from Cahill to Fellaini, neither of which are creative. Moving IMO, the best defensive mid in the league to attacking mid has partially worked, but Jelavic hasn't been the same and we can't finish a game off to save our lives.

Barkley attacking mid would be an absolute revelation, I can't imagine many other managers, who if at Everton, wouldn't be playing Ross/Osman there.

 

[Blue 1]

Nice one.

It's not even a case of never playing him there, not for me anyway. I certainly wouldn't be worried if i saw the team sheet and he was playing there now and again, but Fellaini or any player of his type playing the role of a second striker is not the way forward for a team who want CL football.

Agree totally with this. He shouldn't have been playing there today. Most of us could see what was likely to happen days ago, and it did.

 

[efcfanwirral]

100% with you on this mate. Just because hes scored a few doesnt mean its working for the team. You're spot in mate.

I just find it painful that every other PL manager knows you need a creative player in the hole except for Moyes. Its THE most important position these days, and we've gone from Cahill to Fellaini, neither of which are creative. Moving IMO, the best defensive mid in the league to attacking mid has partially worked, but Jelavic hasn't been the same and we can't finish a game off to save our lives.

Barkley attacking mid would be an absolute revelation, I can't imagine many other managers, who if at Everton, wouldn't be playing Ross/Osman there.

I agree with all this. Because it worked in 2005 he will never change the way we line up.

I think a lot are blinded by an Everton player getting the headlines, scoring a few goals and doing a few bits of skill. It's all at the expense of everything else, we aren't scoring enough goals in general as we're just launching it to Fellaini as plan a, then crossing to Fellaini as plan b. when Fellaini doesn't play we just launch it to whoever is there. We've won 2 in 12.

Not that this is a danger, but teams get relegated with players who score 15-20 goals. Sometimes playing to one player's strengths damages the team

I hope he does get banned so we can see how we do without him. I think wins will start again....

 

[Brennan]

Think he'll be lucky to get away with only a three match ban after watching on MOTD. He actually had three separate incidents, two blatant acts of violence.

 

[JamesBT]

Think he'll be lucky to get away with only a three match ban after watching on MOTD. He actually had three separate incidents, two blatant acts of violence.

I agree, will be delighted if it's just 3, might be anything up to 6.

 

[gdog1981]

Shocking from Felli he will learn harsh lesson when he is stuck in the stands as really can't be doing that. Just need to hope only 3 games , hopefully his apology and remorse will save him as to be honest he at least showed some decency when most overs deny it and never own up to anything. Big question is how Everton don't derail things without him, wonder what sort of plan B Moyes has in mind. Suppose fitness of Mirallas in coming weeks key. After watching Taarat I wonder whether giving Barkley a chance of Jelavic next week is worth a go? Felli owes us big time when he's back. Felli was poor but as a fan we all loved Big Dunc for his rough house style also and he had his fair share of scrapes so let's hope it's a bad experience for him and move on and upwards.

 

[Brownie]

That's the thing though, if you don't play Fellaini there, who gets the nod? Are any of Osman, Naismith or Barkley going to be better than him? I'd say only Barkley really has the potential to be really good there and that's a bit iffy.

The solution really is to be more flexible in formation to avoid having that position at all, but that's clearly very unlikely to happen under DMo.