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FC Copenhagen suggest changes to Champions League which brings back qualification for finishing 4th

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This is why I watch the Europa because you get to see the 2nd/3rd tier clubs battle it out in the knockout stages and 4th/5th tier clubs in the group stages. Still a great standard and unfortunately most would still beat us.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
Picking a random year, when Forest won the EC in 1980, they beat the Swedish champs, the Romanian champs, the east German champs, Ajax and Hamburg across 9 games. I don't think anyone would say that isn't enormously easier than Liverpool's route last year, when they played PSG, Napoli, Red Star, Bayern, Porto and Barca before beating Spurs over a total of 13 games.

What the old format did appear to support, however, was a greater diversity of talent across teams, so not only did teams from competitions in Romania, Yugoslavia (as was), Portugal and the Netherlands win, but you also had more teams within each league capable of rising to the top as talent and money wasn't so concentrated in a relatively small number of teams.
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I think it’s fair to say the difference betweensides across Europe was less than it is now. Red star would habe had the majority of Yugoslavia best players. Where as now they plAy all over europe
 
Change won't happen.

There is a cosy consensus now between UEFA and the elite clubs, and any changes to the Champions League will be things that suit the elite, against the ever present backdrop of a breakaway threat from the clubs.

UEFA obviously don't want that, and at least some of the clubs don't want it either, so we'll continue to see a carve-up of revenue and adjusting of format to suit the needs of these clubs and keep them quiet.
 

FFP the weapon primed by Platini and honed to protect the elite cartel can be seen to be working efficiently in stopping any aspiring newcomers - City have been targeted for years and caught in its net.

Above all it shows the way things are moving, big matches between the best clubs in Europe with the best players available participating.

The romanticism of harking back to a far weaker competition with weaker teams from lesser leagues, albeit 'champions' replacing far far stronger teams from far far stronger leagues is diametrically opposed to the flow

It is absolutely unrealistic and exists only in F.C. Copenhagen's version of dreamland.
 
Not CL related but I wonder what will happen regarding the rumoured 3rd European competition thats due in the next year or two?

Cant remember the name but essentially its a 3rd cup comp with lesser sides, basically:

Champions League

Europa League

New Cup Comp

If introduced it'll be interesting to see what is the criteria to enter into it seems as 6th and 7th only get you into Europa via the cups but surely that would change?
 
barneygumble said:
Well this is wrong.

Real Madrid in 2000. Finished 5th, Real Zaragoza finished 4th.... splurged loads of money on contracts etc, then lost their place.
Chelsea 2012. Finished 6th, Tottenham finished 4th, and missed out.

If anything, even if Uefa did rig it, that we were the only team to "benefit" from this rule, as we actually were allowed to participate in Qualifiers. You win the European Cup you deserve to be allowed to defend your title. I'm sure Nottingham Forest will agree.
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Close, but not quite right.

UEFA allow each league a certain amount of participants, it is up to each league to then allocate those spots. The English FA allocated their 4 spots to the top 4 teams in the league. We were one of those, rs were not. There was no automatic place for the holders, therefore the rules were changed to allow them to enter.

By the time Chelsea won the CL, the rules had changed to give defending champions automatic entry (which I agree with btw)
 
WA Toffee said:
For me, seeing the same teams in the last 16 year in, year out is the absolute definition of a borefest, so much so that the last time I watched an entire group stage game is probably last century. I watched the Real Madrid final a couple of years ago, but that was only because my son wanted to watch it, other than that the last final I watched would have probably been Man utd v Bayern.

I think we are in a time of people being told that football is only worth watching if it involves the best players and biggest clubs. I think most football fans still long for the days when teams like Ajax, Porto, Celtic could compete for the top honours, and every so often a team would come out of nowhere and dazzle the world.

Unfortunately, the money men have decided what people get now, and will indocrinate the masses until they are convinced that it is good.
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Don’t forget Jim McLean’s Dundee United giving the “elite” fits!
 

havrey0123 said:
People want to see the best teams play each other not Fc Copenhagen Vs Barcelona in the final, with the winner known before a ball has been kicked.
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In fairness you got a lot of stick for this but I see your point. Look at the 2005 final for example. A quality Milan team denied the right to play another quality side in Chelsea by an absolute joke of a decision to award a goal, leading to a poor side in the final. Then the final itself was an awful spectacle as a load of cloggers cheated and dived their way to a draw to deny a beast of Milan side the trophy.

Sure you saw it the same, hence your point.
 
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