Farhad Moshiri

7+ Years On... Your Verdict On Farhad Moshiri

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Ask any Sunderland fan. There are loads of rumours about contract items promised to players by SA that subequently Moyes and SAFC had to deal with. Kone pretty much going on strike for what SA promised him being the most high profile case.

As for evidence we all know fine well we don't have any, if there was some he's be banned or jailed. That though in turn doesn't mean that he isn't corrupt as hell.

@paultheblue sums it up perfectly - If it looks like a turd and smells a turd then more often than not it' a turd
 

It also omits the add ons for certain players, its not correct, if anything its under, rather than over.

I didnt use that for my figure.

85m NET, if somebody wishes to disprove that figure, they can come up with their own.
We have received an extra 100m over the last two years from the TV money.
 
Seems like the BBC are always 'making allegations'....... Another 'non story' based on SAms son being an agent,like Fergies son/brother, Moyes son/brother, and many many more. If youre related to a Premier league manager, being an agent is an obvious career move for you. Just like if you have a relative at the BBC, you might as well go and work there yourself.
Didn't Moist's arl fella have a job scouting for us ? and I heard he also had a job at FF ?
 

Actually it's not. It's the first of the big increases but even the season before we received an extra 20m or so.

Last season we got 44m. This year will be around 50 as well. That's 100m.

The Chinese loan of 60m covers the gap.

Still not seeing where Moshiri has invested his own money.

Which given football is a business and he doesn't even own the majority of the shares I'm not surprised but it just winds me up when people keep saying he has invested.

Let's wait and see this January.
 
Because he is maybe just saying it how it is? There is no way back for Barkley we done what he wanted and accepetef a bid that would allow him to leave, he has had his head turned by Spurs so in turn has cost us 35m, what do you want him to do? Sugar coat it?

Be arsed with all this

Kev, this is your last post on here.

If you have flounced can you please do a proper leaving thread for me to laugh at you please.

When Big Sam signs on the dotted line, will people lose some respect for Moshiri?
 
Actually it's not. It's the first of the big increases but even the season before we received an extra 20m or so.

Last season we got 44m. This year will be around 50 as well. That's 100m.

The Chinese loan of 60m covers the gap.

Still not seeing where Moshiri has invested his own money.

Which given football is a business and he doesn't even own the majority of the shares I'm not surprised but it just winds me up when people keep saying he has invested.

Let's wait and see this January.

Yes it is the tv deal runs for 3 years each contract and we got an increase on £6m from 14/15 -> 15/16 & £44m 15/16 -> 16/17

(http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...oney-how-much-each-club-earns-in-2014-15.html)

The chinese deal isnt a loan its a borrowing faclity which we dont even know if we have touched yet.

You need to provide sources if you want to dispute the above
 
Yes it is the tv deal runs for 3 years each contract and we got an increase on £6m from 14/15 -> 15/16 & £44m 15/16 -> 16/17

(http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...oney-how-much-each-club-earns-in-2014-15.html)

The chinese deal isnt a loan its a borrowing faclity which we dont even know if we have touched yet.

You need to provide sources if you want to dispute the above
That article doesn't show the increase just the amount.

Of course we know the loan facility has been used. It was taken out before we made our early big signings and before we sold Lukaku. They even said it was to provide flexibility in transfers. i.e. being able to buy our players before waiting for Lukaku to be sold.

Plus we have received 1 year of the deal. We are now in the 2nd year of the deal (another 50m extra) and after that there will be another 50m.

There's plenty of money flowing in for wages and to be used to borrow against.

I still don't see where this pot of money from Moshiri is coming from.
 

That article doesn't show the increase just the amount.

Of course we know the loan facility has been used. It was taken out before we made our early big signings and before we sold Lukaku. They even said it was to provide flexibility in transfers. i.e. being able to buy our players before waiting for Lukaku to be sold.

Plus we have received 1 year of the deal. We are now in the 2nd year of the deal (another 50m extra) and after that there will be another 50m.

There's plenty of money flowing in for wages and to be used to borrow against.

I still don't see where this pot of money from Moshiri is coming from.

Ive given you the links to the total payout each season for the last 3 years.

You're contradicting yourself here, if you truly believe the tv money we have received has gone up the amounts you state (it hasn't) then why are you so sure that we have drawn on the chinese loan?

The facility was completed almost 2 weeks after we signed Klaasen & Pickford by the way

The tv deal gets paid mainly in arrears so no we don't have another £50m extra fo this season yet.

Moshiri consolidated our debts in the 15/16 accounts, the loan facility was arranged for the beginning of July & we starting signing players mid june

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/spor...shiri-clears-evertons-debt-80million-12336124

http://www.evertonfc.com/news/2017/06/15/klaassen

http://www.evertonfc.com/news/2017/06/15/pickford-signs

The finance deal has only just been announced but it was actually agreed on June 30 after it got Premier League approval.

What you are saying has little basis in fact
 
Ive given you the links to the total payout each season for the last 3 years.

You're contradicting yourself here, if you truly believe the tv money we have received has gone up the amounts you state (it hasn't) then why are you so sure that we have drawn on the chinese loan?

The facility was completed almost 2 weeks after we signed Klaasen & Pickford by the way

The tv deal gets paid mainly in arrears so no we don't have another £50m extra fo this season yet.

Moshiri consolidated our debts in the 15/16 accounts, the loan facility was arranged for the beginning of July & we starting signing players mid june

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/spor...shiri-clears-evertons-debt-80million-12336124

http://www.evertonfc.com/news/2017/06/15/klaassen

http://www.evertonfc.com/news/2017/06/15/pickford-signs



What you are saying has little basis in fact
It has unless you are quibbling between 44m and 50m. I said the arrears part was covered by the Chinese loan.

Where does it say when the Chinese loan was completed?

But anyway ok I'll ask you this question since you seem to know the figures inside and out. Where in our accounts is there a big wedge of money paid in by Moshiri or one of his holding companies?

You can't just invest 50m or whatever in a company without it showing in the accounts. If it's there then I stand corrected and we can move on. If it's not he hasn't invested. Everything else is irrelevant and we are starting to argue over minor details.

The club didn't see a penny of the 80m. It went to the lenders and is still owed to another lender. He's an accountant. He moves money around stealing from Peter to pay Paul. That's what he does and I have no doubt he's very good at it but that's the problem.

Eventually in a few years people realise none of it is new money. If he doesn't refill the coffers this January with his own money for players after the loss in value of the squad from decisions the people he appointed then we really have to start asking serious questions.

Until then I will give him the benefit of the doubt but so far it could go either way.
 
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It has unless you are quibbling between 44m and 50m. I said the arrears part was covered by the Chinese loan.

Where does it say when the Chinese loan was completed?

But anyway ok I'll ask you this question since you seem to know the figures inside and out. Where in our accounts is there a big wedge of money paid in by Moshiri or one of his holding companies?

You can't just invest 50m or whatever in a company without it showing in the accounts. If it's there then I stand corrected and we can move on. If it's not he hasn't invested. Everything else is irrelevant and we are starting to argue over minor details.

The club didn't see a penny of the 80m. It went to the lenders and is still owed to another lender. He's an accountant. He moves money around stealing from Peter to pay Paul. That's what he does and I have no doubt he's very good at it but that's the problem.

Eventually in a few years people realise none of it is new money. If he doesn't refill the coffers this January with his own money for players after the loss in value of the squad from decisions the people he appointed then we really have to start asking serious questions.

Until then I will give him the benefit of the doubt but so far it could go either way.

This isn’t about knowing the accounts inside out it takes 5 seconds to find the information on google.

Firstly you said the TV deal went up £20m from 14/15 to 15/16 this is untrue it went up £4m.

Just put the quote into google and you’ll find out when the Chinese deal was completed, I didn’t link it because of the legal dispute between this sites owners & that particular paper.

My mistake regarding Moshiri consolidating our debts it was confirmed in the 15/16 accounts statement but was actually after year end so we will see it in the next couple of months.

Bottom line is you claimed that we’ve had an extra £100m In tv money when in reality its around half that.
 
Actually it's not. It's the first of the big increases but even the season before we received an extra 20m or so.

Last season we got 44m. This year will be around 50 as well. That's 100m.

The Chinese loan of 60m covers the gap.

Still not seeing where Moshiri has invested his own money.

Which given football is a business and he doesn't even own the majority of the shares I'm not surprised but it just winds me up when people keep saying he has invested.

Let's wait and see this January.
Frau-had Moshiri....
 
An article here on last Mondays Irish Examiner on Moshiri and Everton.The person writing it uses the pseudonym the secret footballer.But the writer of the article claims that Koeman had no say in the Wayne Rooney situation.That Moshiri personally himself ordered that Wayne Rooney be signed, irrespective of Koemans wishes on the matter.

Cleverley reprieve but Toffees Dyching with death

There comes a time in football when responsibility has to reside with the top man, says The Secret Footballer. Not the best player, not even the manager. The owner.

Everton stirred themselves yesterday, their comeback showed signs of life and Tom Cleverley let them off the hook at the death.

But still the Toffees are in danger of forgetting themselves, forgetting who they are. Granted there had to be a transition away from the type of football that former manager David Moyes played if they were ever to compete at the very top, but in order to do so there has to be a structure in place.

Everton’s owner Farhad Moshiri has already learned one valuable lesson: Don’t get involved in team selection and choosing which players to buy. The ego-based decision to be the man that brought Wayne Rooney back home is biting hard. It has already cost him one manager in Ronald Koeman, and it doesn’t look like it will do anything to enhance the chances of David Unsworth, the current stand-in, getting the job on a permanent basis.

Moshiri may have more problems on the horizon too. Over the course of two evenings, beginning tonight, Panorama will screen what is expected to be a fairly uncomfortable take on Everton’s current ownership. It will focus on documents that are alleged to show that Arsenal owner Alisher Usmanov bought his partner, Moshiri, out of an investment vehicle that had already purchased a 14.58 stake in the Gunners. It is claimed that Moshiri then used the proceeds from the sale to buy a 49.9 per cent in Everton. This leads to the suggestion that, as Usmanov was the original source of funds, each man has breached the dual ownership rule.

I won’t be waiting up expecting to see a spectacular expose and I fully expect some very well-trained and expensive lawyers to make it all go away in time, but that’s not really the point.

Everton have been notoriously stingy on the transfer front in recent years and many people believe that the significant outlay in the summer was simply money reinvested from the sale of Romelu Lukaku to Manchester United for €85m. The fact of the matter is that Everton have a net spend of €60m. That’s the fourth highest in the Premier League for those of you that keep an eye on these things.

And what has all that expense bought them? Three wins from 11, a goal difference of minus 12, 11 points and 15th place.

And here is Moshri’s next mistake; whichever manager he chooses next.

For the record, I like Sean Dyche. He is a very good manager that was harshly treated by Watford and he has performed well with Burnley by building layers over the seasons until he has the right type of player and spirit.

Burnley have grown stronger and hungrier over the years and Dyche must take the credit for putting together a squad that is stronger than the sum of its parts. But Dyche is a five-year man. He has been relegated with Burnley and promoted twice. The question is, has Moshri the patience for a man that needs five years to hunt down the top four? Because that’s the target for Everton. Then again, can Everton find a manager that can achieve the goal quicker than Dyche will need to pull it off?

And there is Everton’s problem. Any new manager will have to contend with a squad of players that are struggling badly and a team that is so lopsided that if just one more player is banished to the left-hand side then Goodison Park could well tip over.

Former manager Ronald Koeman can romanticise as much as he likes about how things may have been different if Everton had secured the services of Olivier Giroud in the summer, but would Giroud have made the difference that the club need to find.

The positives in the squad are few and far between. They have a young goalkeeper who I like very much but in front of him the back four are his best training aid. Everton’s Match of the Day highlights have often looked akin to a training session for Jordan Pickford. It’s a lot to ask of a 23-year-old and it says everything about Everton’s defensive capabilities when they concede five goals against Arsenal and the goalkeeper is rated in the papers the next day as the Toffees’ best player. I’ve never seen that before.

Everton’s fans are decent, however. I have to say it. But the club are asking them to suck it up for five more years on the off chance that Moshiri’s plan of appointing Dyche somehow reaps success. But the alternative isn’t too attractive either. Everton are not the kind of club that benefit from a whirlwind like Jose Mourinho coming in and steamrolling his way to glory inside two years. They simply aren’t in a position to attract that calibre of manager.

Something inside tells me that Dyche isn’t the right man and that he will make the decision to join Everton because he fears not getting another crack at a sleeping giant or better. If I look at Everton as Dyche might, I would see a club with a certain amount of potential, some money to spend presumably, and a name steeped in history; a big club. But I would also see a club that has some players that are very tricky to shift, like Rooney, and capable only of attracting a certain level of player that would need a long time to gel into anything consistent. I’d see a back four that desperately needs updating and a massive great hole upfront where Lukaku used be.

Of course, it is Moshiri that will make the call and so far he hasn’t got too many of the major decisions right as the owner of a Premier League football club.

One more poor piece of judgment and he may just wonder if this football stuff is all it’s cracked up to be. Who’d be an owner? Constantly Dyching with death.

Our man inside the game suspects the impressive Burnley boss isn’t the answer to Everton’s prayers






 

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