Farhad Moshiri

[Brisan123]

I think the point is that it's taken us 1 year to get back to where we were, not 10.

One year and 9 starting 11 signings
Only Coleman and Baines remain

 

[bicycleheader]

I think Forehead has done well to lift us up in just a year. We are the worst of the best now and wont be giving that position up without a fight.

 

[Lanolin]

One year and 8 starting 11 signings
Only Coleman Baines and Jags remain

I'm not defending him, I wasn't convinced about him even in the first season and was a huge critic. I'm just agreeing with the post which was saying there's no need to pretend he set us back 10 years when he patently didn't.

 

[Seamus Colemole]

There is an obsession because whilst it isn't the be all and end all of how well you're going to do, net spend is a viable indicator as to progress. The clubs with the highest net spend over the past ten-15 years are the clubs consistently at the top of the table. Aside from us breaking the top 4 under Moyes and Leicester the season before last, this is consistently the case. It is an undeniable correlation. Now correlation does not always equal causation, but you can't dismiss net spend out of hand. If you constantly have to sell your best players to buy others, progress will obviously be more limited than it would be if you were able to keep your squad together, culling only the deadwood and adding to your best assets.

I realise that there are examples which do prove that net spend isn't all it's cracked up to be. The RS are the only team in the premier league era to spend over a billion and not win it. Look at the dross united have bought these last few years, and their league position is getting worse every year. Spurs have managed to cement themselves in the top 4 without really spending as big as the others. However the catch up we are playing to those above us is a lot greater than I think people realise. And we don't seem to have a harry Kane coming through anytime soon. We have to be incredibly smart with player recruitment and quite frankly the manager needs to be something special.

The problem we face is highlighted by Man City. Slightly unfair as I know they have the sheikh money, but look what they did this summer. They allowed three fullbacks to all leave on a free, then replaced them all for nearly £150 million. They addressed their weaknesses and spent massively without compromising and losing any key players. In addressing our weaknesses, we've lost our best goal scorer to what we hope will be a rival for a top 6 position, whilst strengthening our goalkeeper and gaining a better centre half. One step forward, one step back. That's what net spend highlights

Great post and one that nails the whole net spend argument.

In order for us to improve as a team the most obvious straight forward way of doing that is to buy better players. And the easiest way of buying better players is to spend a lot of money on them (transfer fee and wages).

Importantly though it needs to be done over a long period of time, 3-5 seasons of having a decent net spend should ensure that we improve our team to a level where we can challenge and win trophies. Thats the easiest way.

But it's not a guarantee if we spend a lot of money on rubbish players. Or we could buy better players than we have quite cheaply and do it with a negative net spend.

Or if we sell one player for big money (ala Lukaku) it will skew that seasons net spend meaning it's unlikely that we will have a significant net spend that window. Doesn't mean we can't improve though. Which is the aim.

 

[davek]

Just the media attention he has brought to us is amazing. We are back being relevant and talked about daily where it used to be once in a blue moon.

We must get in 2/3 very good players by the end of the window though.

By a clown called Jim White.

 

[murphy89]

Or if we sell one player for big money (ala Lukaku) it will skew that seasons net spend meaning it's unlikely that we will have a significant net spend that window. Doesn't mean we can't improve though. Which is the aim.

Couldn't agree more with this.

I think we all agree that having a negative net spend every season isn't a good indicator of progress. However, you can't just purely throw the figure around and not look much deeper. The Lukaku fee completely skews any net spend figure this season and nothing Moshiri could do to change that. We wanted the player to stay, offered a huge contract under the impression he would sign it, but instead he left for Champions League football and dabbing session with his mate - yeh we could have forced him to stay another season but realistically that could have caused a lot more issues.

Also, the transfer window isn't even closed yet. So put down the calculator, stop moaning and get down the Spellow tomorrow. Freaks.

 

[Black Belt Jones]

I'm not defending him, I wasn't convinced about him even in the first season and was a huge critic. I'm just agreeing with the post which was saying there's no need to pretend he set us back 10 years when he patently didn't.

You have to consider the opportunity cost, though. It's like a six-pointer - if you stagnate, badly, for three years, then that's also three years you've missed out on improving. So the difference between where we were post Martinez and where we might have been with a real manager is hugely significant. So 'ten years back' is speculative of course, but it's by no means extravagant or way off the mark IF you factor in what a real manager might have done with that Moyes side.

 

[Lanolin]

You have to consider the opportunity cost, though. It's like a six-pointer - if you stagnate, badly, for three years, then that's also three years you've missed out on improving. So the difference between where we were post Martinez and where we might have been with a real manager is hugely significant. So 'ten years back' is speculative of course, but it's by no means extravagant or way off the mark IF you factor in what a real manager might have done with that Moyes side.

It's extremely speculative.

To suggest that a side which had no history of finishing higher than 5th has been set back 10 years because of two 11th placed finishes is pushing the limits of credibility.

 

[DrEFC]

It's not my fault people cant understand what I am saying!

Actually it probably is, but I am just looking at the bigger picture! He was a blip in our progression, that's all.

I think you could understand it ruined our rep a bit. It was the start of all the young stars whining about having to play CL.

 

[Seamus Colemole]

Couldn't agree more with this.

I think we all agree that having a negative net spend every season isn't a good indicator of progress. However, you can't just purely throw the figure around and not look much deeper. The Lukaku fee completely skews any net spend figure this season and nothing Moshiri could do to change that. We wanted the player to stay, offered a huge contract under the impression he would sign it, but instead he left for Champions League football and dabbing session with his mate - yeh we could have forced him to stay another season but realistically that could have caused a lot more issues.

Also, the transfer window isn't even closed yet. So put down the calculator, stop moaning and get down the Spellow tomorrow. Freaks.

It's so blatantly obvious i'm not surprised it's been ignored by people wishing to push and anti Moshirir agenda.

However it would still have been possible to have a large positive net spend if the money was there even after selling Lukaku. But then you run into the problems of A: having to intergrate a lot of new players already intothe team, you have to draw a line somewhere and that line is likely to be drawn before you have a large positive net spend on top of spending from incoming sales, and B : your wage bill is already up a lot from those new players so again a line has to be drawn on incomings.

It's the seasons we don't sell one (or maybe 2 or 3) players for big money that will be the true indicator of what Moshiri is willing to invest of his own money into the playing side of the club. Cause while we do so (cause those players want out) it's just decent sensible finanical operating to use that first.

 

[Thomasc]

You asked me if I forgot the utter tripe served up which to me says that you think I am trying to ignore the problems we had under Martinez?

I don't think I gave that impression at all.

All I was saying is that if you sit back and look at it reasonably his time here did not set us back in any real shape or form in the grand scheme of things. It was grim at the time of course it was, but overall we have ended up in the same position so he did not set us back really.

Sake man, you a bit paranoid about most things?

So asking you had you forgotten something is the same as saying you love something? hmmm back to school for you Mr Shango. lol

God bless the internet.

 

[Groucho]

I love how the Mosh has revitalised this sleeping giant; turned a club run like a corner shop into a mean lean business machine. Paying the prices to secure the talents, yet standing a firm ground when we believe that we are being taken advantage of. No more soft touch blues!!

A new home will soon be rising in the Mersey, a central focal point to one of the worlds most famous skylines and right in the heart of one of Europes biggest development sites. Firmly putting us right in the map.

A marketing masterpiece was achieved by brining a blue home, the world media loved this tale. Again, we were right in the front page of all media outlets, the media followed us around constantly reporting on this love affair between player and club. The world remembered Everton

He's supplied our glorious manager with funds to build a team that can push on and bury the nightmares of years gone by, serpents who do not wish to be part of this revolution are rightly shown the door; not worthy to wear the royal blue that we, the fans and family, proudly do.

The mosh still as work to do, but he has laid his solid foundations and awoken a once powerful beast

Hail the Mosh

NeT sPeNd ThO LaD

Erm, I mean, I agree mate. Ahem.

 

[The binman chronicles]

By a clown called Jim White.

Wouldn't say it's just him Dave. We are getting mentioned from a lot of different sources. Not saying all of it is wonderful but it's always better to be in peoples minds.

To that point Moshiri has done something different. He sought to raise our profile and he has, it's not all negative.

 

[DrEFC]

NeT sPeNd ThO LaD

Erm, I mean, I agree mate. Ahem.

Missing the Sponge Bob pic there, G.

 

[davek]

Wouldn't say it's just him Dave. We are getting mentioned from a lot of different sources. Not saying all of it is wonderful but it's always better to be in peoples minds.

To that point Moshiri has done something different. He sought to raise our profile and he has, it's not all negative.

It was a feature of the early part of this window that eyebrows were being raised outside the club over spending levels. But we all knew as supporters it would balance out with massive sales. Since then the media have shrugged and settled down to predicting decent top 10 finishes for us this season and we are off the radar again...other than to be in the news this past week over the manager complaining about a feeble net spend.