Fallujah birth defects

[davek]

BBC News - Fallujah doctors report rise in birth defects

Awful. Just watched that on the BBC news earlier. Some of the scenes of children are upsetting.

The use of white phosphorus by US forces in their 2004 attack against insurgents in the town is widely thought to be responsible.

 

[Hayee]

Disgraceful

 

[moyes_bringin_it_back]

BBC News - Fallujah doctors report rise in birth defects

Awful. Just watched that on the BBC news earlier. Some of the scenes of children are upsetting.

The use of white phosphorus by US forces in their 2004 attack against insurgents in the town is widely thought to be responsible.

I'll stop you there Davek.

ALL explosives are toxic (especially nitro ones). They're also persistent in the environment - so called PBT and vPvB (persistent bioaccumulative and toxic and very Polluting very Bioaccumulative).


ALL explosives give off residues of the explosives (that don't explode)

There are still World War I and World War II residues in French fields, getting rid of them is something called bioremidiation.

Also the western nations have recognised this fact and even provide research towards better less toxic alternatives

"Environmentally friendly" explosives get ready for ignition" - New Scientist

Making a safer bang for the buck - Los Alamos Research Team Identifies Replacements for Mercury and Lead in Primary Explosives

Environmentally friendly explosives, Chemical Science Journal - Royal Society of Chemistry


Now.... I take huge issue with that BBC story.

Its directly blaming the americans, however I'd blame the militants for using PBT explosives in their "Improvised Explosive Devices" using home made explosives!


Its just another case of trying to make anti-Western propaganda.


Equally, the bias in the story is incredible: given: Fallujah was heavily industrialised during the Saddam era, with the construction of several large factories, including one closed down by United Nations Special Commission (UNSCOM) in the 1990s that may have been used to create chemical weapons. A new highway system (a part of Saddam's infrastructure initiatives) circumvented Fallujah and gradually caused the city to decline in national importance by the time of the Iraq War

So investigations should take place, because I suspect (infact know first hand) - the easy option of pointing fingers at the americans might show something interesting and set the record straight!

 

[chicoazul]

It's a bit arl arse on the Americans sometimes, they do get blamed for absolute everything.

Even Haiti's earthquake, that was a superb consipiracy that one.

Even when [Poor language removed] happens against them, they still get blamed for it: 9/11 for example.

Jealousy and envy are terrible things it would seem, and that's coming from someone who doesn't endorse their foreign policy. It has to be said they do an enormous amount of good in the world.

 

[moyes_bringin_it_back]

BBC article:

"Doctors and parents believe the problem is the highly sophisticated weapons the US troops used in Fallujah six years ago."

Rubbish bloody journalism.

The militants home made explosives (as unsophisticated as you can get) - I have no doubt whatsoever caused more damage to the environment than the american weapons.

And thats a fact.

 

[davek]

I'll stop you there Davek.

ALL explosives are toxic (especially nitro ones). They're also persistent in the environment - so called PBT and vPvB (persistent bioaccumulative and toxic and very Polluting very Bioaccumulative).


ALL explosives give off residues of the explosives (that don't explode)

There are still World War I and World War II residues in French fields, getting rid of them is something called bioremidiation.

Also the western nations have recognised this fact and even provide research towards better less toxic alternatives

"Environmentally friendly" explosives get ready for ignition" - New Scientist

Making a safer bang for the buck - Los Alamos Research Team Identifies Replacements for Mercury and Lead in Primary Explosives

Environmentally friendly explosives, Chemical Science Journal - Royal Society of Chemistry


Now.... I take huge issue with that BBC story.

Its directly blaming the americans, however I'd blame the militants for using PBT explosives in their "Improvised Explosive Devices" using home made explosives!


Its just another case of trying to make anti-Western propaganda.


Equally, the bias in the story is incredible: given: Fallujah was heavily industrialised during the Saddam era, with the construction of several large factories, including one closed down by United Nations Special Commission (UNSCOM) in the 1990s that may have been used to create chemical weapons. A new highway system (a part of Saddam's infrastructure initiatives) circumvented Fallujah and gradually caused the city to decline in national importance by the time of the Iraq War

So investigations should take place, because I suspect (infact know first hand) - the easy option of pointing fingers at the americans might show something interesting and set the record straight!

But there's a time factor here: these cases are spiking now. Toxicity from industrial contmination didn't bring this about. And I'll leave you to hazard a guess at the likely proportion of ordnance used by US/insurgent forces.

An inquiry is most definitely called for.

 

[davek]

It's a bit arl arse on the Americans sometimes, they do get blamed for absolute everything.

Even Haiti's earthquake, that was a superb consipiracy that one.

Even when [Poor language removed] happens against them, they still get blamed for it: 9/11 for example.

Jealousy and envy are terrible things it would seem, and that's coming from someone who doesn't endorse their foreign policy. It has to be said they do an enormous amount of good in the world.

In this instance: if the cap fits, mate....

 

[moyes_bringin_it_back]

But there's a time factor here: these cases are spiking now. Toxicity from industrial contmination didn't bring this about. And I'll leave you to hazard a guess at the likely proportion of ordnance used by US/insurgent forces.

An inquiry is most definitely called for.

Its entirely feasible to see a spike occur years after the event. In toxicology there are two different types of exposure - incident and chronic (long term exposure). Both can have different effects.

Genetic damage (from bioaccumulative teratogens) can build up in a population so you see a spike years after, when a population begins procreating. teenagers under saddam (2003) would now be of child rearing age...

HOW DO YOU KNOW INDUSTRIAL CONTAMINATION COULDN'T HAVE CAUSED THIS?

I work with toxicologists every day - I employ several infact.

I've also been to Iraq with the British military.

 

[moyes_bringin_it_back]

In this instance: if the cap fits, mate....

Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

(Matthew 7:1-5)

 

[chicoazul]

I know how to get to this mate:

Watch this space" Bill 2008.

 

[moyes_bringin_it_back]

Oh the irony.

John Simpson went to the hospital in Fallujah.

Who built it? The Americans. No doubt using local labour and pumping billions into the Iraq economy.

 

[Dylan]

Oh the irony.

John Simpson went to the hospital in Fallujah.

Who built it? The Americans.

We didn't build it to help people though.....we built it to rake in MILLIONS OF DOLLARS!!!!!

*Evil laugh*

 

[moyes_bringin_it_back]

We didn't build it to help people though.....we built it to rake in MILLIONS OF DOLLARS!!!!!

*Evil laugh*

Have you seen the size of the US deficit recently? :blink:

Obviously not.

 

[chicoazul]

We didn't build it to help people though.....we built it to rake in MILLIONS OF DOLLARS!!!!!

*Evil laugh*

Exactly. The Iraqis are well on expensive insurance policies and taking loads of medication that they really don't need.

VOTE REPUBLICAN.

 

[spikeman]

Have you seen the size of the US deficit recently? :blink:

Obviously not.

Calm down and take a joke.