Everton reopen talks with Sam Allardyce

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Tubey said:
Do we have a choice between throwing our morals and ethics away and... not doing that?

Yes, yes we do.

We're in a relegation fight, yes, but not so desperate as to throw our entire identity down the drain for a proven crook. I'd rather take the risk with a more unknown manager. I still don't believe we'll go down whoever we have as manager - even Unsworth - the fact we're not even in the relegation zone and one win off 12th despite being unimaginably bad shows the state of this league; it's not panic stations yet to the point where Sam bloody Allardyce should be an option.
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I'd say we're actually way past that point of desperation. Our squad has no qualities whatsoever, none of those players can actually do anything.
 

smileychap said:
1. Bolton
Alladyce got Bolton into Europe with the likes of Okocha, Diouf, the dude from Madrid, Djorkaeff and of course, Gary Speed. With those guys it wasn't kick n run. They were decent in Sam's last seasons, and it was the clubs underlying shaky finances low gate receipts etc that weren't sustainable. He should not have had so much money, but he spent successfully.

Everton have the money and the fans.

2. Others,
Geordies didn't like him, but collapsed without him, after giving him no time. West Ham up, Blackburn safe etc. How can he do better than survival with that lot? ( and he did better than survival )

Hodgson is starting to make gains using a largely unchanged Palace squad ( I'd have Sakho in our back four tomorrow ) and his only falling for England was giving honest, private views in a fake interview. He won his 1 game in charge.

3. Everton
Give the guy a chance. I wanted Unsworth to have a crack at things, but he's too green, poor tactics and dire defence (which I thought he'd tighten). Mostly I don't feel he's developed a good touchline presence yet ( lots of head shaking ). More time yes, now maybe not.

4. Targets
Could Everton be the club to tarnish Sam's record? Maybe. But this squad with this attitude I felt for the first time is relegation material on form vs teams around us. We must stay up.

Walsh, kenwright, Elstone, go. Wasted millions. Moshiri is delivering cash and a ground and a project that will be incredible for the city. We must stay up to realise that.

I'd give Alladyce a run
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This is akin to the Americans voting for Trump because they'd lost touch with reality.

And like Trump, Allardyce is a walking joke and an actual crook.

And like America, Everton will be a complete laughing stock if we put him in charge.
 

Tubey said:
Do we have a choice between throwing our morals and ethics away and... not doing that?

Yes, yes we do.

We're in a relegation fight, yes, but not so desperate as to throw our entire identity down the drain for a proven crook. I'd rather take the risk with a more unknown manager. I still don't believe we'll go down whoever we have as manager - even Unsworth - the fact we're not even in the relegation zone and one win off 12th despite being unimaginably bad shows the state of this league; it's not panic stations yet to the point where Sam bloody Allardyce should be an option.
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Well, that's the main sticking point - accepting how bad we are.

We lose Wednesday and West Brom win, we're bottom 3 in December. There's that stat of no team have conceded as many goals as we have at this point in the season and survived.

The board think it's bad. I think it's bad.

People would have the same reaction to if we went for Pulis.
 
mikeh72 said:
I'd say we're actually way past that point of desperation. Our squad has no qualities whatsoever, none of those players can actually do anything.
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It's November. We're one win off 12th and not even in the relegation zone, we have a transfer window coming up and, despite how it looks, we have a squad which has much more quality than any other in the bottom 10.

The situation is not as desperate as it seems if you step back and look at it logically. We just need a manager in who sends the right message out to the club and the league; a plan basically. That doesn't have to be Sam Allardyce; if it was, say, Fonseca, you get the same effect. We don't have to stamp "we're mediocre and have no morals" across our entire club by panicking into hiring an actual crook.
 

mikeh72 said:
Like who? That'll come, obviously.
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Mate Newcastle with a worse squad than ours in a relegation fight far worse off position wise than we are, went and hired a 2 time CL winning manager, other clubs have hired managers who aren't sam alalrdyce when in terrible positions and survived also.

WHY do you think ONLY sam allardcyce is the choice?
 
Tubey said:
It's November. We're one win off 12th and not even in the relegation zone, we have a transfer window coming up and, despite how it looks, we have a squad which has much more quality than any other in the bottom 10.

The situation is not as desperate as it seems if you step back and look at it logically. We just need a manager in who sends the right message out to the club and the league; a plan basically. That doesn't have to be Sam Allardyce; if it was, say, Fonseca, you get the same effect. We don't have to stamp "we're mediocre and have no morals" across our entire club by panicking into hiring an actual crook.
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???? That can't be a real thing you've just typed there. We haven't played well in any game this season, our entire back 4 wouldn't get a game for any other club in the league, we replaced a 25 goal striker with a fat arl piss head and now rely on Oumar Niasse for goals. Deluded severely if you think we're better than our league position suggests.
 
Tubey said:
It's November. We're one win off 12th and not even in the relegation zone, we have a transfer window coming up and, despite how it looks, we have a squad which has much more quality than any other in the bottom 10.

The situation is not as desperate as it seems if you step back and look at it logically. We just need a manager in who sends the right message out to the club and the league; a plan basically. That doesn't have to be Sam Allardyce; if it was, say, Fonseca, you get the same effect. We don't have to stamp "we're mediocre and have no morals" across our entire club by panicking into hiring an actual crook.
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we've conceded 28 goals in the league mate. no team has conceded that many at this stage of the season and not been relegated. our last 8 games include defeats to the tune of 2-5, 1-5, 0-3 and 1-4.
 

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